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Invitation to Jordan Hall to Dialogue with Gary Sheng

Sent On: September 9, 2025

Format: 2-3 Hour Dialogue via Google Meet

Distribution: X (Twitter) and YouTube

Podcast Intro Script​

Welcome everyone to what I believe will be a truly extraordinary conversation. Today I'm joined by Jordan Hall, and I want to take a moment to tell you why this dialogue matters so much to me.

Jordan represents something I deeply admire: he's a paragon of truth-seeking in the truest sense. What makes Jordan remarkable isn't just his intellectual capacity—though that's formidable—it's his unwavering commitment to follow truth wherever it leads, even when it costs him everything he's built.

Think about this journey: Jordan became what I'd call a bishop-level figure in multiple worlds. He was deeply respected in the secular elite circles, the World Economic Forum ecosystem. Then he became a leading voice in the metacrisis movement, helping people understand the civilizational challenges we face. But here's what sets him apart—when his pursuit of truth led him to Christ, he didn't hedge his bets or try to maintain his position in those previous worlds. He followed the truth.

I've been watching Jordan's evolution over the past year and a half, two years since he started speaking openly about his faith. What strikes me is how each conversation reveals new layers of understanding, new connections between his deep analytical mind and this ancient truth he's discovered. His commitment to truth and the well-being of humanity is absolutely palpable in everything he says.

For those in my network who don't know Jordan yet, you're about to meet someone who embodies what it means to be a genuine seeker—someone who's willing to abandon comfortable positions and prestigious associations in service of something greater.

So Jordan, let's start here: Who are you? How would you describe yourself to someone meeting you for the first time? And as you look back on your evolution over the years—from those early days in secular elite circles, through your time as a metacrisis thinker, to where you are now in your Christian journey—how do you make sense of that path? What's been the through-line in your search for truth?

Invitation Overview​

This is an invitation for an extended, open-ended dialogue about faith, truth, and the meta-crisis—a conversation between two people genuinely seeking to understand God's reality in our current moment. The format is informal but substantive, designed for deep exploration and authentic exchange.

One of the main goals is to give you space to bring together and expand on many threads you've started to discuss publicly, but haven't yet had the chance to explore all in one place. This is a chance to connect the dots, go deeper, and let your thinking breathe.

The other goal is to talk to you about some things you haven’t talked about yet.

Possible Conversation Themes​

Below is a list of possible themes and questions. We definitely won't get to everything—it's a menu, not an agenda. The idea is to let the conversation flow naturally, following what feels most alive or relevant in the moment. These prompts are here to spark ideas and give us a sense of the territory we might cover.

Truth and Reality​

  • What is the importance of truth? What do people prioritize above truth? What are the consequences of that?
  • Why were you always on a mission to understand reality, understand truth?
  • Describe your journey over time—what you prioritized and where you gravitated towards that felt true, and what led you to the next thing because something wasn't satisfying your desire for capital-T Truth.
  • Is truth the highest value? What happens when you prioritize other things above truth?
  • What about compassion? Isn't compassion important?

Finding Christ​

  • Why is Christ's way? Why does it feel true?
  • How did you deal with anti-apologetics?
  • Did you used to grapple with the problem of evil in a serious way before you became Christian? How has your view about evil changed over time?
  • How has getting to know Christ changed you?
  • Why is it that when you are born again in Christ, almost the way that you see everything changes? Can you explain that?

The Meta-Crisis and Cultural Moment​

  • How would you describe what's happening in this world today?
  • For the uninitiated, what is the metacrisis or the omni-crisis?
  • Why do you feel called to do something about it?
  • What are avenues of attack to changing the world that you've tried?
  • Why does strategy—real political strategy—not work often (or maybe at all) in the context of building the kingdom of Christ?

Spiritual Formation and Community​

  • Besides studying the Bible on your own, who are your spiritual elders or spiritual peers and spiritual intellectual fellows? Is there anyone that's at all "googleable"?
  • What do you think about the concept of denominations? What do you like about different denominations or other categories of modern Christianity?
  • How much does heart posture matter to God?
  • What was the initial reaction of people hearing that you were Christian? How did you deal with that?
  • What's your experience been like in Black Mountain, North Carolina? What does it feel like to be in a community?
  • Why does community matter? Why does in-person community grounded in a Christ-centered context matter?
  • Sell me on the idea of small towns

Calling and Purpose​

  • How would you describe the difference in the before and after of your lived experience?
  • Do you believe in a calling from God? Do you feel like there's multiple callings? Do you think that calling can change?
  • What do you feel like your calling is?
  • How do you talk to God or hear God?
  • Why do you go on so many podcasts? What are you doing there?

Theology and Mystery​

  • What is the importance of the Trinity? Explain this to me like I'm not as smart as you at all.
  • Do you think much about the end times? Does it motivate you in any way?
  • What's something that still doesn't make sense to you about Christ/God's ontology that you're still trying to work out?

Technology, Future, and Formation​

  • What kind of role do you think technology plays in our crystal future?
  • If you had unlimited resources and the ability to recruit anyone around the world to be part of a school system or formation system for your kids, who would you recruit? How would you structure this formation system?

Personal Growth and Darkness​

  • Is there any darkness that you're working to shed as you work on your process of becoming more like God—your theosis process?
  • If you were to create an example of a pharisaical person or institution (maybe not hypothetical but real), how would you describe that?

Contemporary Issues​

  • What do you make of evangelical support of Israel and the Scofield Bible? Have you looked into that much?
  • How has the American church been compromised by external agendas?
  • What's the connection between prosperity gospel and foreign influence?
  • How do we distinguish genuine support for biblical prophecy from political manipulation?

Logos and the Word​

  • Why is it important to understand the point of Jesus as Logos—the "Logos made flesh"?
  • What is Logos?
  • If there is a Logos is there an Anti-Logos?

Network Theory & Christianity​

  • How do you see the three network topologies (centralized, decentralized, distributed) mapping onto Christian practice today?
  • What's the significance of understanding Christianity through network theory?

Fifth Generation Warfare & Spiritual Reality​

  • You've connected modern warfare evolution to spiritual warfare—can you explain how confusion about values is a form of attack?
  • How does understanding 5GW help Christians navigate the current moment?

Participatory vs Propositional Truth​

  • What's the danger of reducing Christianity to propositional statements?
  • How do we balance intellectual rigor with lived experience of faith?

The Divine Economy​

  • What would it look like for people to "take their orders from God" at scale?
  • How is this different from theocracy as commonly understood?

Game B to Christianity​

  • You've said "Game B is just a nerdy way of trying to get to Christianity"—can you unpack that journey?
  • What did Game B get right and what was it missing?

AI and Spiritual Crisis​

  • You've warned about being "consumed body mind and soul by AI"—what specifically concerns you?
  • Why is discipleship to Christ the only protection?

Educational Formation​

  • Your three-stage developmental model (0-7, 7-14, 14-21)—how does this differ from current education?
  • Why must education return to the church?
  • How do we prepare children for an AI-dominated future while keeping them grounded in truth?

Generational Calling​

  • You've identified Gen X as the "Moses generation"—what does that mean practically?
  • What's the Joshua generation's specific calling?

Truth, Consequences & System Design​

  • Mike Ajouz argues "the value of truth is 100% because of consequence"—how do we rebuild feedback loops in a society that subsidizes lying?
  • What's your take on creating "skin in the game" for Christian leaders who've been compromised?
  • How do we shrink feedback cycles in spiritual matters when consequences often seem delayed?

Hypocrisy vs Sin Distinction​

  • How do you distinguish sin (missing the mark) from hypocrisy (using good for evil)?
  • If "demons aren't hypocrites" because they acknowledge Jesus, what does that tell us about modern church leadership?
  • How do we sacrifice our hypocrisy without falling into self-righteousness?

Strategic Christian Competition​

  • Some argue "Christianity is competing with paganism and needs to get competitive"—what does holy competition look like?
  • How do we "hijack the systems" without becoming what we fight?
  • What's your view on using worldly tools for kingdom purposes?

Grassroots Christian Activation​

  • What would effective coordination of Christian political action look like?
  • How do we mobilize believers without falling into partisan traps?
  • Is technology-enabled activism (like "two-click" apps) the right approach?

Parenting as Theological Education​

  • How has fatherhood revealed God's heart to you in ways theology couldn't?
  • What does "love as participation rather than possession" mean practically?
  • How do we negotiate with the independent souls of our children while maintaining godly authority?