2025-05-02_gary-sheng_david-kobrosky

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[David Kobrosky] Oh, I've never done this. Nice.

[Gary Sheng] Okay. So let me tell you how annoying it has been to, okay. I couldn't have just used Luma, but like, um, there's pros and cons to that.

There was like a very, it was very, I guess, but before prescribing a product solution, I'll just tell you like my methodology for like, yeah, I made this happen. It was all through just like text and like sending like links to like, Oh, like it's almost like a. It was so not normal events that I like it had this like a little mystique, you know, yeah, okay Like I think almost like any sort of like events.

I don't again. I don't know what the product would be but like There was this sort of They get this link at insidealphaschools.com slash first supper, right?

[David Kobrosky] Okay.

[Gary Sheng] And there's no sense of RSVP. It's like, but the, the sense is that you only were invited if you're like super special. So like you just have to let the person know.

Oh, well, the other thing I did was like, I literally openly shared who is RSVP. I think, I think you, that's nice. That stimulated a lot of conversation between you and me as well.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah.

[Gary Sheng] Right. Then you saw the Google sheet, right?

[David Kobrosky] Yes.

[Gary Sheng] And it was like, yeah, just add your name yourself. If you're coming.

[David Kobrosky] Oh, yeah. It gives it a, it gives it a, it, a forces people to see who's going and to be impressed. And then, uh, B it, it feels.

[Gary Sheng] Um, almost not trying hard at all, but also like, right, right, right. It kind of does, it kind of does a lot of things actually. It's like, we're not, we're not trying that hard and we're being really transparent.

Um, and it's like, we trust, we trust people to just edit shit because like you're that dope and responsible. Like you can, I don't know.

[David Kobrosky] It feels like the, it's almost. A like a give just giving them a link at all is a huge. It feels like a favor because it's clearly high trust by giving them it.

Yes, like you're entrusting them with this thing you were giving them versus you know which which inherently means. It's almost like you don't even need to say it's non transferable. Like it's implied it's a non transferable invite like it's like it's clearly.

Yeah, it's it's almost like it's almost like a vulnerable. It's almost like a vulnerable invites. Yeah, it's just the same thing mentally that vulnerability does where guards guards go down and like, and my trust goes up.

There's something something happens there. I see what you're saying. It's yeah, there's something there.

[Gary Sheng] And I look, we can make up reasons why it's cool or not. Like it's all guesses to me, but like it, like I'm, you know me, I'm, I'm very good at this stuff. And so like, just like it just came to me through intuition and it's worked out really well.

Right.

[David Kobrosky] That's a hot take, dude. That's a, the way you approach that is not common. And it would take me some time to get to that.

It's definitely a non-intuitive approach. I think it's smart though. I see, I see, you should be proud.

That's a big, that's a, that's a, that's not an easy, that's a pretty, you know, it's a very good intuition. It's always, it's always impressive when intuition leads to something that's non-conventional.

[Gary Sheng] Yeah. Intuition leads to non-intuitive, you mean? Non-intuition.

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That'd be so sick. And that's just, it'd be so easy for you, honestly.

[David Kobrosky] So in my view, we, we did, I did a Boba. I was trying to figure out a way to like get people together in like a cheap way. So we did a, I call it Boba and banter.

And I said, come between six and six 30, which is Boba spot next door. And Boba on us, essentially. It was just like really, really low touch.

But it was so fun and easy. So we had the head of community for Slack come. A bunch of leaders in space.

And it was just perfect. But what I did is I showed people when they came, I was like, Jacob, check this out and put your name in. I'm saying, tell me three people that Jacob, who is the head of community Slack, should meet who's also coming to the Boba thing.

And we popped out five people and he's like, oh shit, that's cool. It was a good like, yeah, then I made an intro to one of them. It was a good like little, yeah, it was perfect.

It was a good touch.

[Gary Sheng] Oh, interesting.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah, it was almost like I was kind of concierging him when he was onboarding to the event through just like showing up. It was like, hey, come here, I'm the next step. Here's the people you gotta meet.

I almost gave him the list of people he needs to meet. But yeah, I think, I think this is a much better way to do that.

[Gary Sheng] You know what, you know what, what I'm thinking based. I mean, dude, you and I could come up with so many interesting experiments. Like for example, imagine everyone had these, like, you probably even seen like the mentor lives.

Um, they got the kids in Shenzhen right now. I don't know.

[David Kobrosky] I don't know.

[Gary Sheng] Yeah. I mean, that's wonderful. I like, as soon as you paused.

Like, I just, you're just not online. That's great. So there's this, there's this team that is basically trying to create open source meta rebands and it's like really flexible tech and it's really dope.

[David Kobrosky] What bands?

[Gary Sheng] Basically open source meta rebands.

[David Kobrosky] Oh, got it.

[Gary Sheng] Cool. And like, we could totally do interesting experiments where like, imagine like, Imagine like you had a homing missile like powered by intros AI, right? That's like it literally the you know, your your glasses are like rose colored the more rose like the like the closer you are to like Someone that it the AI thinks that you would get along with Imagine if we do this first before anyone else does this Um, like what that would do for intros, bro, like anyways, um, yeah, like, and, and what I love about partnerships is that mentor needs this too.

You know, like, like Metro would be able to just dedicate their existing resources to this for, because, because the whole point, like of the fund, the money that they fundraise from is to find product market fit. Right. And so it's like, Hey, here's a product market fit idea.

That happens to also benefit another company that's doing dope shit. So like, I could facilitate an intro tomorrow. Um, if that made sense, like, I'm just, I'm not saying I will need to, because, um, this is cool.

This is cool. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're busy and you need, you need to like figure out the roadmap. Right.

But like these, these kinds of things are, are, are very possible. And it would blow people's minds and be like, oh my God, I cannot believe I ever did events without AI. You know, like powered by AI, like, like, like events where there's not any sort of intelligence about who you should meet.

Cause you only have so much time. Right. And like, dude, part of why I want you to be a thought leader on this is people have no idea what they're doing when they go to events.

No idea. Like you, you, you can't assume that they have any sort of common sense around it. And like, so they're wasting so much time.

They're like, Oh, this is a hot conference. They go to the conference. They're like, Oh, I guess I think we should go to the keynotes.

And like, they have no idea what success looks like. They don't even know. They don't even know to ask the question.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah. They're doing it wrong.

[Gary Sheng] What is success?

[David Kobrosky] Yeah.

[Gary Sheng] Right. And then, and then let's say you're at like a random, a random sub event. You only.

Practically speaking, you have to treat it like work. You only have an hour or whatever to hit the people that matter to your goals. But again, people don't even know what their goals are.

Often they're just hired by some random fucking company, like crypto company that like, they don't even know what their goals are. Right? And so of course you're going to have a bad time.

But, um, if you know what your goals are, you can use intros. To connect with people who matter to your future to your flourishing to your success to your profit, whatever it is. So That is the North Star.

I believe for in-person events with intros that like using wearables or whatever you're able to like get and and not just wearables like literally an app that's like, you know, this person's close by like You know, this is what they look like Make sure to say hi, right? Whatever the actual user experience is, like the ultimate outcome is that you're not like a good event experience is no longer an accident. It is guaranteed because of intros.ai. Like what a value proposition, bro. That is like, and if you just think about what is like the human impact, like forget GDP, but also include GDP, right? Because GDP is like the least worst metric for value. But like, okay, humans want to connect with people that are good, good fit for them.

And so, like, but anyways, I'm kind of saying the same thing again and again, but like, I love what you're saying. You're saving so much suffering and like, Incompatibility, bro. Like you're saving like infinite years.

Like what intros AI could do is save infinite years of incompatibility, bro. That's so wild to me that that's even like, wow, like what an opportunity.

[David Kobrosky] And what a good way to put it. What a good humanity gift to put it.

[Gary Sheng] It's a huge gift. It's a huge gift. Cause like, you're literally saving infinite hours.

Like literally like, I don't even. Like, and like I said from this is like a mental, this is basically David like an underrated mental model that I've realized that like, it's not a It's not like there are things that, and Elon knows this well, like if you gave most people infinite time to solve a hard engineering problem, they would never do it still, right? It doesn't even matter how long it took, right?

They would never get to there, right? And what is my point? Oh, is this, I'm trying to think if this is the right pattern match, but Your life, I guess, not to try to think too generally about it, your life can be so much better or worse based on who you meet, right?

And you could literally just waste so much money, time, and like, money and time, and faith in humanity, really, by just spending time with people that are like, not the best fit for you.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah, it's, I guess the inverse of that is the person who's going to change your life is like four people over to your right. And you just never meet them. You know, the inverse of that is the opportunity cost of like things not happening.

It's like, it's both like loss aversion of like you're wasting time that you have and like potential opening. It's like two sides of it.

[Gary Sheng] I think actually on that on the note, your points much better, because what you want to appeal to is not like the last part. It's more like your big break is one relationship away.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gary Sheng] Your big break like literally like your. Your your your your next unicorn is one relationship away. Yeah, seriously, and that's just the truth, dude Yeah, just the truth because whether that person is like giving you an idea that they get no like whether or not you give them equity in it, you know, you know, like were they or they or they shared a publication that you started become a fan of and it's like, you know, like you like literally relationships are why anything happens dude, and so It's it's just truth That your next unicorn could either not happen because you didn't meet the right person, or it could happen because you met the right person, right? You can meet your wife that you don't divorce.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah, it's not a linear difference, it's an exponential difference.

[Gary Sheng] It's complete, like, literally, like, with intros.ai, your life could be a thousand times better than what it is today. Like, that is, like, that's what you need to believe. And also like strive to create.

Because, um, it's possible to create that if you actually just stick to the North star of like, okay, the right two people meeting, whether that's romantic or just buddies or, um, spreading a billion dollar company could change everything. And let me guess, let me just give you a couple, let me give you one example, dude. Yeah.

Man, it's like human relationship is such a funny little sticky little web. So Lyle Alexander, imagine like Nikola Tesla. I don't know how, you know, vivid that understanding, but it's like super genius, like too smart to even know what to do with it sometimes, right?

Completely misunderstood when you were a kid. In the case of Lyle, he grew up in rural Louisiana. You think that people understood his genius?

In rural Louisiana, no, they didn't. And it was also quite racist in a lot of parts of the country, even just a few decades ago. And the people that opportunistically saw his genius, the Netherlands, which had him fix, came to fix some crazy energy infrastructure shit that they couldn't figure out.

Welcome to my The only reason why he's not there anymore is because the Cold War started and the U.S. was like, yo, if you don't fucking drop everything you're doing, you're going to be a traitor to the people of America. Right. And you're going to lose your citizenship and we're going to probably, you know, kill you.

Right. Like that's literally what they basically said to him. So he gave up everything and came to the U.S. And so literally what you have, and like, it's not like he didn't like do something over the past few years. He has like, but he has, but like for his intelligence, him having one giant warehouse with CVS as a client for like manufacturing, like pharmacy wall panels.

[David Kobrosky] Yeah.

[Gary Sheng] Like that's like a, that's like a disgrace. So the genius that he is like, he's like, yes. Millions of dollars of annual, you know, revenue.

But it's a complete disgrace because he's he is probably the smartest man on the planet Like that's that's genuinely how I feel and so Like he he's like literally Anyways, that's a long hold hold this. Um, imagine that that's true, right? Just for the sake of yes.

[David Kobrosky] Yes.

[Gary Sheng] Yes The conversation about intro. So yes, imagine that's true he is I'm He literally said, Gary, you are a gift sent from God. And it's not, I don't, that's like a crazy thing for me to hear.

Right.

[David Kobrosky] That's great. Ego, but it's also great. And, and probably, you know, it probably seems true when you're like, you know, when someone believes in you or sees you for who you are.

[Gary Sheng] Yes. And I'm literally giving Lael a layup in terms of. Joe wants, Joe would love to provide whatever resources are needed to help Lyell start the best grade four through 12 technical school.

Yeah. MIT for fourth graders to 12th graders, plus more, plus, plus a bunch of other shit. Right.

And, and, and, and Lyell will literally create all the devices, create like sensors in every building. He'll literally. Manufacture the whole building like everything about it, right?

He's the most full-stack genius I've ever met in my life. Wow. And it's like at the same time, if you don't know Gary, who didn't know Joe, who is literally just writing a blank check to groups of people that he believes in, Joe, right?

Where I can just be like the connector right also strategist, but like connector. Yeah, that's the main thing and Just be like go you guys are both great And look he has look I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Frank He has so much love for the Chinese people because the Chinese people showed him deep admiration and love, right? And so like, look at me, bro.

I'm Chinese American. I'm literally the bridge between him and like his white trauma. Honestly, like, dude, how crazy is this story, bro?

It's like, so like, it's quite like, to me, look, it's like, okay, the amount of impact that Joe and Lyle can have together is quite, it's actually like, unfathomable to me.

[David Kobrosky] Right. Because like unlimited upside, unlimited upside.

[Gary Sheng] It's unlimited. Right. So like, okay.

If you, if you buy all what I said, then like intro.ai is one of the most important product in human history. You know what I'm saying?

[David Kobrosky] Wow. Wow. You're right.

You're right.

[Gary Sheng] Because what it's doing is basically productizing whatever the fuck Gary's doing.

[David Kobrosky] Hmm.

[Gary Sheng] Yeah, as long as long as you get everyone on intros in the world, and then it becomes a human like public service for you to scale, you understand?

[David Kobrosky] Yeah.

[Gary Sheng] Without Gary, Lyle and Joe would never meet. Because they're both introverted recluses, bro. Right.

They're both introverted. Honestly, I'm But like, yes, that's the realization that intro.ai needs to be like, like, like, like silently, low key, the most powerful network in the world. You know, that just constantly, automatically connecting, like super geniuses together, that cannot unlock their genius without each other.

Like that's like, and some of the genius, like in Joe's case is like, I have a fuck ton of money because I'm so smart at sales, right? Like, right. And so I could, I could deploy a bunch of money into you.

Right. And so like, you just, you almost just have to reverse engineer, like at least one of your product lines needs the reverse engineer from like civ societal outcomes that involve putting the right teams together.

[David Kobrosky] Hmm. Really good way to put it. Reverse engineering societal outcomes.

Yeah, that's, that's exact. Yeah.

[Gary Sheng] If you think about, I like how you said that, that implies what's true, which is, It's It just, it just so happens that you have to be an incredibly special human to design another intelligence, right? Like that's so crazy to me, but like that's just humans, right? That's how powerful humans are at the end of the day.

[David Kobrosky] I love that dude. All right, man. I need, I need to knock out, but I think it's a perfect, like, I'm glad we had this recording because A, I'm don't think I've ever been more inspired and B, I feel like we'll, you know, When we do enable and create more beautiful connections in the world, we're going to look back and be like, that was an important call.

[Gary Sheng] I appreciate that. Yeah. And look, importantly, um, not, not to say forget this call, but like, it was the relationship that created the conditions, right.

That the call was going to happen no matter what. Right. And then, and then that goes back to what I was saying about.

Intros being like literally the most one of the most important products in human history Because if if connecting the right people look it just depends on your worldview, right David? Yes, if you believe that humans have enough intelligence To solve any problem then then I become and I actually now that I know all these fucking super geniuses I'm like, yes, we can solve all these problems. Yeah, and so if that's the truth like which is almost like as a leap.

It's like, it's almost like a self selecting group anyways, which is beautiful, because like, it's like optimists. It's like these like techno science optimists, right that are like, yes, we can figure things out. And so you don't even want to hang out the other people at the end of the day.

But like, it's like if you if you believe it's true, that we have the raw ingredients Yeah, Just so you're clear, I've never been more pro-capitalism in my life. And I've never been more pro humanity and impact in my life. It's like, Hmm, whoa, actually, they're exactly the same.

Because what we're just saying is that like, if you have, if you allow people the freedom to self organize their capital and their human potential, Great things happen, right? That's basically all I'm saying, right? Versus like, oh, you're you've stacked up a lot of money.

You should be killed, right? Like that's the worst. That's the worst.

But my parents, dude, my parents, sorry, my grandparents and my parents by both lived through the execution or enslavement of greatness. Right. That's what if I were to put it simply, that is what happened.

From the 60s onward until the 90s of the reform of like, oh, maybe we should stop killing off our best people, you know?

[David Kobrosky] Yeah, I could imagine. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think the main thing I was saying is like, if you, right, like, if I think the core, core thesis you're saying here, which is, I think, very provable from looking at, you know, All the great things have come here.

[Gary Sheng] History, history, history.

[David Kobrosky] There are certain problems in the world that need to be solved. The way to solve the problems is with the right people coming together. And the way the right people come together is no longer by serendipity.

It's by engineering those interactions.

[Gary Sheng] It's engineering miraculous connections. That's what intros.ai does, bro. It's like literally engineering it so that like Like divine connections that like people look back on history and be like, holy shit.

I'm so glad that Larry and Sergei got together. I'm so glad that Steve and Woz like became friends. Like intro, intros is basically making it so that you don't leave up most of that to chance anymore.

We're going to make sure that the geniuses that are going to be the most profitable and impactful for humanity get to meet.

[David Kobrosky] Right. Yeah. Amen, dude.

All right, man. It's bedtime. I'm gonna see you soon.

We'll talk soon.