External Transcript Summary: Gary Sheng & Dominic Conti - Apostolic Faith & Entrepreneurship

Date: September 30, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Dominic Conti (@dominic-conti.md) Duration: Extended conversation (2+ hours) Location: Coffee shop in South Austin, then drive to Two Hands Chiropractic Context: First meeting between Gary and Dominic, connected through Peter Han

Executive Summary

This powerful conversation captures the meeting of two entrepreneurial believers navigating the intersection of business success and authentic apostolic Christianity. Dominic, a former military serviceman turned entrepreneur building a retirement planning platform, shares his journey from Italian Catholicism through military ministry to discovering powerful apostolic teaching under Scott Dufour. Gary reciprocates with his testimony of leaving Silicon Valley atheism, experiencing Holy Spirit baptism through Apostle Delmar, and developing the Nation of Fire ministry vision. Both men critique institutional Christianity while advocating for signs, wonders, and authentic spiritual power.

Key Themes

1. Peter Han Connection & Influence

Dominic's 8-Year Friendship:

• Providential meeting: "I'm wearing, I'm pretty much dressed like the way you're dressed, right? Slides, shorts, t-shirts... And next to me I see this Korean guy, this other guy. They're in suits and they're talking about the gospel, they're talking about money, they're talking about business"
• Bold approach: "I said, hey, couldn't help but overhear that like you're talking about things that I'm interested in... Dude, I look like a bum. But I just was like compelled"
• Deep friendship: "We've been very, very close for the last eight years... I moved to Austin, he moved to Austin. He stayed at my place a few nights. I helped him pick a place, helped him move"

Peter's Spiritual Impact:

• Film ministry calling: "He was called to start, like, produce a movie... He pulls out $2 million, $3 million that he personally guaranteed, and then the whole thing pretty much fell apart"
• Years of refinement: "For years he was paying that off, couldn't get a job... Obviously, him being single as well"
• Teaching on rest: "He goes, Hebrews 4, Dominic goes, strive to be in my rest. He goes, that should be your thing"
• Wisdom through suffering: "It's not necessarily the volume, but you can tell that the word selection and kind of the anecdotal truths he has come from just a lot of, like, years of toiling"

2. Gary's Testimony & Vatican Experience

Police Brutality Activism Phase:

• Possession reflection: "It was a few days ago where it was the first time I actually believe I was possessed... I had so much rage... my heart was blackening"
• Massive influence: "I got a billion impressions on Facebook alone... 800,000 people were following the account"
• Snapping out: "My ex told me that I was not fun to be around anymore... forced me to reevaluate things"

Vatican Digital Transformation Project:

• High-level access: "Working with this guy as his right hand... we were working on a huge plan with Pope Francis"
• Project scope: "Digital transformation of the whole catholic church... with a plan to take over everything, the entire church globally"
• Ultimate failure: "Pope Francis... ultimately got sizzled out because he was dying"
• New possibility: "I got a call two days ago saying Pope Leo might be interested in the whole thing"

Critique of Catholicism:

• Heresy assessment: "I kind of think of Catholicism as a heresy"
• Spiritual discernment: "I just do not feel this Holy Spirit with Catholicism. Even at the highest level"
• Leadership concern: "Especially if it is the leadership of a body of Christ. You would expect that it would feel less demonic"

3. Dominic's Military Ministry & Crypto Journey

Air Force Boot Camp Leadership:

• Divine positioning: "There was this consistency that fell over me where I got put in charge of 50 dudes in my unit"
• Bible study impact: "I led a Bible study of 48 dudes almost every other night... Five or six of them got saved"
• Crisis counseling: "Gary, guys would wake me up at 2 a.m. crying, showing me a letter from their girlfriend saying my girlfriend just aborted my baby. Another guy was trying to kill himself"
• Mother's death support: "Another guy, his mom passed away... all these things are falling into my plate and I'm young. I just have faith"

Crypto Trading Rollercoaster:

• Initial success: "Made a million bucks in two months from some little... altcoin"
• Algorithm development: "Started developing a trading algorithm just to supplement my discretionary trading"
• Catastrophic loss: "When the Russia-Ukraine war news came out, I put a $700,000 short on Bitcoin. Lost it, got short-squeezed out"
• Down to basics: "Had five grand to my name. Had a trading algorithm that I was working on"

4. Scott Dufour's Apostolic Ministry

Discovery & Impact:

• 2.5 years attendance: "I've been going for two and a half years... I have not invited anyone before"
• Teacher description: "50s, fully tatted up, jacked hardcore dude from Louisiana"
• Revelation gift: "The revelation that God gives him on this stuff is unlike anything I've heard"
• Teaching style: "The best articulator of the gospel I've ever heard... he barely uses notes"

Ministry Philosophy:

• Raising sons: "I want to raise up sons. He says, I want to raise up sons and I want to be obedient to Christ"
• Anti-marketing: "He's so conscientious of not wanting just to market it for the sake of marketing himself"
• Small group focus: "That's why he's just had it in his house with only a couple of us"
• Built for thousands: "This guy's built for thousands, man... Eclipse is everything I've heard in the past"

Theological Revelations:

• Genesis waters: "The original translation of hover, really means vibration... God is vibrating over the waters"
• Wastewater symbolism: "The word waters in that context means it was wastewater... swampy"
• Divine attraction: "When he gets close to you, you'll naturally react and life will come out of it"

5. Critique of Modern Christianity

Pastoral vs. Apostolic Paradigm:

• Church feminization: "Right now the church is under a very feminist... soft, weak, empathetic... paradigm that is ineffective"
• Five-fold ministry: "We're in the pastoral paradigm... that's one out of the other four that exist"
• Apostolic necessity: "The apostolic is supposed to take ground... at the tip of the spear to carry out the truth"

Education Model Problem:

• School paradigm: "Church was never designed to be let me educate you about God... it's supposed to be the opposite"
• Experience first: "You're supposed to experience God and the Bible is supposed to supplement and complement your experience"
• Corporate church: "The corporate church has become so corporatized and legalistic"
• Predictability: "You can regurgitate what's gonna be said... 'you're here for the first time raise your hand we thank you we love you'"

Suffering Misconceptions:

• Mental construction: "Most suffering just is caused up here... it's just the perception of things"
• Reality check: "Most people don't suffer at all... 99.9% of the time there's no external force"
• Western privilege: "We have a pretty freaking good out here... we're kind of whoring away our freedom and our luxuries"

6. Jewish Question & Spiritual Discernment

Gary's Repentance:

• Recent confession: "A day or two ago... I repented for my Jew hatred"
• Compartmentalization: "I have good Jew friends. I somehow compartmentalized it"
• Targeting irony: "There's no group that I had more of a negative heart towards than people that... have blood lineage to our Messiah"
• Wedding decision: "My friend followed up... 'I didn't see your RSVP.' I was like, okay. I'll go"

Theological Wrestling:

• Replacement theology: "What people call replacement theology, where the church is now Israel... I'm less sure of that than I was before"
• God's promises: "The implication is that God is not keeping his promises to his original people"
• Prophetic resistance: "God has foretold, through his prophets, that the Jews would be among the most resistant to converting"
• Evangelical critique: "My biggest critique of the Ted Cruz evangelicals is... blind support, and they're not even trying to convert them"

7. Legacy Safe Business Vision

Platform Development:

• 60-second solution: "Within 60 seconds, retirees can plug in age, risk tolerance... it shows them how much money they can pull on a monthly basis"
• Monte Carlo simulations: "With an 80 to 90% chance of not running out"
• Built on Lovable AI: "I built this on Lovable AI... Lovable's amazing"
• Free value proposition: "Completely free... to try to build good will with them"

Market Opportunity:

• Massive market: "The annuity market's $350 billion a year"
• Wealth transfer: "$34 trillion is gonna be transferred from the baby boomers to the next generation"
• Anti-advisor stance: "I hate financial advisors. I think what they do is just like, they wreck people, they're expensive"

Ministry Funding Goal:

• Kingdom purpose: "I wanna solve my money problem... indestructible cashflow... so I can go do the things that God... I wanna fund really interesting things"
• Faith integration: "Being an entrepreneur unlocks an aspect of your faith that wasn't there before... You gotta be different than everyone else"

8. Apostle Delmar & Holy Spirit Activation

First Encounter:

• Remote word: "The name Brenda Gentry, through remote word, came on Apostles' mind and prayer"
• Portal vision: "Everyone in the room sees a freakin' portal to heaven opening up"
• Name revelation: "Brenda's in prayer, says Gary Chang [Sheng]... we meet up in Austin that next day"

Holy Spirit Baptism:

• Fire transmission: "As soon as we shake hands, he says, like, I saw fire going from my arm to yours. And I felt it. I felt this tingling"
• Body reaction: "I have a whole body reaction... I had no expectations, so it's not... a placebo thing"
• Super Saiyan feeling: "How I describe it to people is I felt like Super Saiyan"

Eye Healing Miracle:

• Lost glasses: "I lose my glasses at the end, and I had this hunch that God wants me to just ask for healing in my eyes"
• Vision improvement: "Within a day, I started to see positive effects... My vision is significantly improved for medium and long range"
• Faith activation: "They asked, hey, do you want someone to send you this to your hotel tonight? I'm like, nope"

9. Dating & Marriage Perspectives

Dominic's Search:

• Extensive dating: "I've dated a lot out here, man... I've dated a ton and no one, it's been frustrating"
• Family desire: "I would love to have a wife and kids. Like, I want a ton of kids"
• Spiritual compatibility: "It's easy to find like a Christian girl that goes to church, but someone that is seeking massive truth and like more of a radical stance. Super rare"

Gary's Standards:

• Beauty importance: "Beauty to me is very important. I don't think that's something to be ashamed of"
• Aging elegance: "I met this 60 something year old woman that was like just elegant... I would want a wife that stays elegant as they age"
• Holy Spirit requirement: "When I do meet the one that God has prepared for me, it'll just be super obvious"
• Creating transformation: "We have to create the experiences that change them"

10. Nation of Fire & Future Ministry

Gary's Vision:

• Movement scope: "I'm spearheading a whole multi-year movement... It's called the Nation of Fire"
• Miracle crusades: "I plan to go on Miracle Crusades with this guy [Apostle Delmar] and document it"
• Africa focus: "We're going to go on miracle crusades. A lot of it's going to happen in Africa"
• Lebanon interest: "Thinking about going to Lebanon at the end of October... Middle Eastern Christians that have had traditions... kept since the 200s"

October 11 San Antonio Gathering:

• Dominic's invitation: "I have not invited anyone and I've been going for two and a half years... I felt compelled to invite you"
• 5-hour sessions: "Leave at 4 get down there by 5:30 we'll be there till like call it 10 or 10:30"
• Flow-based teaching: "It's not like this is the 5 hour clock begin it's just more of however he's flowing he just goes"
• Life-changing potential: "Radically radically changed my life"

Key Quotes

On Spiritual Authority:

• Dominic: "How many guys do you know that are hardcore spirit-filled, like, talking about, like, the true ways of God and also are business savvy and wanna make money and have impact?"
• Gary: "It looks like Acts of the Apostles... It looks like feeling glory clouds... It looks like them bringing someone that is deaf and they can hear"

On Faith & Obedience:

• Dominic: "It's the love that propels the obedience, not necessarily the beating of your body or the spiritual discipline"
• Gary: "I'm using that as, like, an extreme example. But just... assume less from my understanding about why events are unfolding"

On Modern Church:

• Dominic: "Austin in particular doesn't have like that one church that's rallying all Christians, but you find there's a lot of spirit-filled people out here that are seeking truth"
• Gary: "The current institutional structures are not serving the people inside them, but also not attractive to the people outside them"

On Divine Economy:

• Gary: "God can change things around in an instant. Like that... it's not the same thing as just more toil, more output"
• Dominic: "Being an entrepreneur unlocks an aspect of your faith... You gotta be different than everyone else... Holy Spirit, do you want me to do this?"

Action Items & Next Steps

1. October 11 San Antonio trip - Gary to attend Scott Dufour's apostolic session with Dominic
2. October 4 - Gary's water baptism in Liberty, Texas with Apostle Delmar
3. Documentation plans - Gary to interview healed people and document miracle crusades
4. Lebanon exploration - Potential trip to connect with Middle Eastern Christians
5. Legacy Safe collaboration - Possible partnership discussions for retirement planning platform
6. Nation of Fire development - Integration of apostolic teachings into ministry vision