External Transcript Summary: Gary Sheng & Dr. Barbara Hastie - Pre-Baptism Spiritual Mentorship

Date: October 3, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Dr. Barbara Hastie (@barbara-hastie.md) Duration: Extended phone conversation (1+ hour) Location: Gary in Austin preparing for Houston trip, Dr. Hastie in Florida Context: Pre-baptism celebration call before Gary's Gulf baptism on October 4, 2025

Executive Summary

This profound spiritual mentorship conversation captures Gary sharing his upcoming Gulf baptism and supernatural healing experiences at Liberty, Texas, while Dr. Hastie recounts her miraculous provision of Florida health insurance through divine guidance. The discussion evolves into deep theological exploration of predestination, the elect, and critiques of institutional Christianity versus authentic revival. Both recognize divine orchestration from their original Uber meeting through this pivotal moment in Gary's spiritual journey, with Dr. Hastie providing maternal spiritual encouragement and wisdom from decades of faith-tested experience.

Key Themes

1. Gary's Liberty, Texas Experience & Supernatural Awakening

First Encounters (September 6-13, 2025):

• Initial visit: "The first time was September 6 and then the next time was September 13th. I came back the next week"
• Healing manifestation: "He actually prayed over my eyes and my eyes got better"
• Gary's admission: "I've never been down the rabbit hole of God and healing"
• Serious exploration: "Just seriously exploring how I could be helpful to this very gifted person"

Prophetic Chain Leading to Liberty:

• Pastor's prayer: "That pastor, he was praying and he heard the words of this one woman in his spirit"
• Divine connection: "Months later she was praying and then my name came up in her spirit"
• Woman's discernment: "She's like generally pretty skeptical... both understands the supernatural, recognizes it, wants more people to witness it, but also is very skeptical of typical people that talk about this stuff"
• Threading the needle: "It feels like threading a needle here where you have to be such an exceptional communicator and documenter"

Gulf Baptism Significance:

• Gary's perspective: "It's one thing to have it like in a pool, like a little tub... but to have it in the gulf, oh my gosh, it's like the river Jordan"
• Dr. Hastie's response: "Angels will be dancing, angels will be dancing"
• Timing: October 4, 2025 - the day after this conversation

2. Dr. Hastie's Florida Health Insurance Miracle

Bureaucratic Journey:

• Complex process: "I had to become an employee of my company... I had to go back and forth to the capitol in Tallahassee and Division Incorporated"
• Multiple agencies: "Every single day I was on... either IRS and then Delaware where it's incorporated"
• Divine trust moment: "I just had this overwhelming... God just saying, just trust me, just trust"
• Declaration of faith: "I believe in God's hands and God's going to give me favor with the underwriter for Blue Cross"

Miraculous Approval:

• Against odds: "This is one of the few states where I could get insurance anywhere from one to a hundred employees... They said, if you have one or any, one or more. And I thought, oh, they're not going to take me with just one"
• Perfect timing: "Late Friday, as I'm packing up to leave for Wisconsin, I got this... Florida Blue, I'm like, oh my God, this is amazing"
• Critical coverage: "Each of these infusions is over $30,000... I would have to pay that out of pocket"
• Annual cost: "For the year now, it's going to be like $8,000. But after that, it's 100% covered"

Faith Lesson:

• Dr. Hastie: "Every step we do... it fortifies our faith, but it also, there's a reason why we do it... I may need some of the knowledge I gained or some of the people I met at the Capitol"

3. Power App Revival & Uber Legal Development

Recent Legal Ruling Impact:

• Major decision: "Now with this judge saying Uber's not responsible for all the sexual assaults that happen... from 2019 to 2024, sexual assaults and rapes, that's a lot. And Uber's not responsible for any of them"
• Market opportunity: "I think now's the time to kind of capitalize on that news because... that negative news for Uber is going to help me"
• Uber's response: "Uber came out with this thing, oh, we're going to match female riders or female drivers... but there's only 10% of the drivers are women. You could be waiting a long time for a ride"

Company Preservation Through Insurance:

• Divine providence: "I went for a walk the other night and I was just blown away with how God, first of all, has allowed me to keep that company, Power & Beyond"
• Angel assistance: "At every stage, it was like, God put an angel there... somebody like, you know what? Oh, let me help you with that"
• Multiple confirmations: "I've had several people in the past month say, you know, you need to continue"

4. Deep Theological Discussion on Predestination & The Elect

Gary's Wrestling:

• Nerdy exploration: "I've been on a little bit of nerdy rabbit hole around predestination... I guess I've been thinking a lot about God being the ultimate screenwriter"
• Fairness question: "Did he also write the script of a terrorist that died a terrorist... Was God just cruel that he cast certain human souls to be the evil characters?"
• Eternal questions: "Do they actually spend eternity in separation from God's love or is there more of like some kind of purification process?"
• Personal gratitude: "I'm grateful... it certainly seems like given the current trajectory that if there is an elect, I was chosen from the beginning. Doesn't seem fair"

Dr. Hastie's Wisdom:

• Universal calling: "I don't think God excludes anybody. I think we make choices that can exclude us but it's not because God wants to exclude us"
• Everyone has purpose: "I do believe God has a calling and sometimes several different callings depending on where we are in our life... he's got a purpose for every life"
• Saints perspective: "My church in DC... he'd always say like 'good morning Saints'... we are God's elect because we are made in his image and we are image bearers"

Gary's Resolution:

• Practical theology: "Everyone should act like they are elected and just do what... if you've had the good fortune of having anyone in your life tell you about the good news, assume that's a good sign and take it seriously"

5. Institutional Christianity vs. Authentic Revival

Industrial Christianity Critique:

• Gary's concern: "Industrial Christianity where you have mega churches that can never really provide the kind of support structure for people to find their callings"
• Checkbox faith: "Everyone is kind of like checking the box like 'oh I went to church, I'm a good person'... that fits in the religious performance box"
• Religious performance: "Religious performance is a thing at every spectrum of time commitment"
• Pharisee archetype: "I suspect there's going to be like a replay of the whole Pharisee archetype... sacrifice, be extremely pious, pray in public, give money in public"

Catholic Church Skepticism:

• Layers problem: "So many layers between the individual and God... if your church is not just purely discipleship infrastructure... you're confusing people about what the point is"
• Vatican experience: "I've been invited back to Vatican City in November but I'm very skeptical... I think that religious institutions have given... have led to a lot of abuse"
• Institution perpetuation: "It's designed to perpetuate itself... I think God's going to especially move in unexpected ways in these coming years"

Revival Location Insight:

• Dr. Hastie's pastor: "Here in the Western world we look down on those... people in low and middle income countries like Africa... but the revival is happening in these places that don't have these big institutions"
• Gary's agreement: "Because the religious institutions get in the way of actual revival where the Holy Spirit fills you"
• Spirit-filled necessity: "You need spirit filled teachers, you need spirit filled friends, you need spirit filled... institutions"

6. Medical Miracles & Divine Provision History

Crohn's Disease Journey:

• Near death: "It almost killed me... I was just really knocking on death's door"
• Miraculous timing: "It was approved that month within 24 hours and then it saved my life"
• Divine connections: "The doctors that did the clinical trials... they knew 10 years of results before the stuff was even approved"

Heart Surgery Providence:

• Wisconsin doctors: "They're like, no, surgery won't touch you but you've got to have surgery... You've got to have open heart surgery. I'm like, hell no"
• Florida colleague: "I'm one of the 12 surgeons in the country that do it [minimally invasive]"
• Divine foreknowledge: "God knew way back then that I would need a doctor like him"
• Mother's life saved: "He saved my mom's life... found this 98% blockage... he pulled out the lasers like Star Wars"

7. Faith Without Works vs. Religious Performance

Gary's Theological Breakthrough:

• Key distinction: "Salvation is not through works... what I've come to understand that is you truly love God and you understand that he's given you a beautiful calling, you better do it"
• The caveat: "But the caveat is that the calling is very unlikely religious performance"
• Saints redefinition: "When people like the way that Saints are kind of talked about is like 'oh they went full into monastic life'... but from what I'm starting to understand is it's not about not sinning"

8. The Original Uber Meeting & Divine Orchestration

Dr. Hastie's Almost-Missed Connection:

• Nearly done: "I was gonna be done... I thought, no, you know what, I'm gonna do one more. So I almost didn't even do that"
• Divine prompting: "I was like, I'm kinda tired Lord, I'm just gonna shut it down. And I'm like, no, do one more. Okay"
• Prayer practice: "Before every time I pick somebody I always pray like God, whoever's supposed to be in my car and whatever I'm supposed to say, give me the words to say"

Book Vision:

• Dr. Hastie: "I wanted to write a book... God and the Uber. Because your situation, you know, meeting you was just such a blessing and how that's evolved over the years"
• Other divine connections: "A couple other people as well that I've maintained contact with"

Prophetic Uber Moments:

• 2 AM pickup: "He's very spiritual... If I didn't know better I would think you work in the area of disparities... he was telling me my background. There's no way he would know"
• Direct message: "I'm supposed to tell you not to give up... God wants me to tell you not to lose heart"

Gary's Evolution:

• Past perspective: "Back then I totally was not in any sort of spiritual mode... I certainly saw it as like 'oh I felt lucky that happened' but I didn't understand divine orchestration at all"
• Present understanding: "I know that it was not a coincidence... the weaving of our callings will continue to be very interesting"

9. Living by Faith vs. Living by Fear

Dr. Hastie's Daily Trust:

• Financial reality: "That's probably when all resources are going to be run out anyway [December]. And I'm like, okay, God, you've got to provide"
• Song wisdom: "When has God ever failed? When has he ever failed to come through on a promise?"
• One foot forward: "I'm doing kind of one foot in front of the other and say, okay, I'm going to do a few different things"

Fear as Opposition:

• Dr. Hastie: "Fear is a liar... it'll take your joy, it'll take all these things... anxiety, it takes your sleep"
• Night battles: "There are times in the past or even in past month I'd wake up in the middle of the night go 'oh my god how am I gonna do this'"
• Against the norm: "It's against everything of the world... even some well-meaning individuals"

Gary's Transition:

• Environment shift: "I've more and more so been transitioning the people that I spend time with to people that it's not even a question about these core tenets of reality"
• Material paradox: "The material things are still the same... in fact they're worse because I don't have an income right now"
• Spirit recognition: "Other people living in fear create risk of you also living in fear... these are spirits as well... the spirit of fear can pervade a whole environment"

10. God's Supernatural Reality Mission

Gary's Calling Clarity:

• Assessment: "I think that people, I think a big part of what will help people... these gifts do point to the nature of our reality created by God"
• Beyond arguments: "The typical arguments for God are not enough to get more people to become aware and devote their lives to God"
• Active exploration: "It's an active exploration of how I can be part of people experiencing more of God's supernatural reality"
• Implementation vision: "I think that may involve events, it may involve traveling to different countries, getting the tutelage of this guy in Liberty, Texas"

Documentation Calling:

• Communication challenge: "You have to be such an exceptional communicator and documenter where you can never fully hater proof anything but you can make it as best of a representative of the reality as possible"
• Not coincidence: "I suspect that all these things that have happened this year for me were not a coincidence"

Key Quotes on Faith Journey

Dr. Hastie on Gary's Growth:

"You've been very inquisitive... Jeremiah says God says if you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. And I do believe that's what you've done and you are doing. And I think that's why you're being blessed to see these amazing things."

Gary on Reality Shift:

"I think that in a lot of ways it's a lot simpler like life is a lot simpler than people make it to be... do they want to be part of the world as it describes in the Bible where ultimately yeah you can have financial success... but it is either through your toil or perhaps with the aid of nefarious forces that are explicitly not of God."

Dr. Hastie on Divine Provision:

"God is the God of the impossible. That's what he does. I used to have a hairdresser here in Florida and he's like, this is when God, when we're backed up against the wall, that's when God comes through the most. As long as you step out of the way."

Gary on Institutional Christianity:

"I like to say discipleship infrastructure right. If your church is not just purely discipleship infrastructure like where you're just helping them be sons and daughters of Christ like you're confusing people about what the point is."

Closing Blessing

Dr. Hastie's Send-off:

"Enjoy the lunch and I'll be praying for that amazing experience tomorrow. If there's any pictures or whatever but I'll be praying the whole day. Angels will be dancing, angels will be dancing!"

Gary's Gratitude:

"Dr. Hastie, as always, thank you so much for the time."

Notes

This conversation represents a pivotal moment in both participants' spiritual journeys - Gary on the eve of his baptism having experienced supernatural healing, and Dr. Hastie having just received miraculous provision for her health needs. Their discussion weaves together personal testimony, theological depth, and prophetic encouragement, while maintaining a critical eye toward institutional religion that lacks authentic spiritual power. The mutual recognition of divine orchestration from their original Uber meeting to this moment underscores the theme of God's sovereign planning across years of relationship building.