Call Summary: Applied AI Movement Building and Wrestling with AI vs. Second Coming

Overview

Thanksgiving conversation where Gary shared his breakthrough week transitioning from sabbatical mindset to Applied AI consultant/movement builder, while Alex reflected on AI singularity scenarios versus Christ's return, aging creative dreams, and the rare "niche" nature of their shared journey as Asian-American Christian tech entrepreneurs.

Key Topics Discussed

Gary's Applied AI Breakthrough Week

Monday Mentor Reach-Out:

• Wilson (designed The Rock logo, Tampa Bay Buccaneers rebrand) contacted Gary
• Looping Gary into Jollibee group project for brand compliance software
• Gary: "How else can you explain that but God, right?"
• Wilson reached out after Gary set intention to help people with AI

Multiple Opportunities Converging:

• Travis's colleague reached out: "Travis is a huge fan of you... here to talk about you joining our team"
• Friend (building control systems engineer) needs agent help - potential 50/50 product partnership
• Andrew Huberman's podcast producer collaboration - 2-hour ideation session on tools and product
• Gary: "Yesterday... there was zero chance of me getting everything done"
• First time in months feeling overwhelmed with opportunities rather than lack thereof

Applied AI Movement Vision:

"The antidote to Nick Fuentes is not a leftist Nick Fuentes. It's people that are not focused on politics and actually just improving their lives and their communities and loving God and starting families and helping businesses"

• Positioning as Applied AI guy who helps businesses implement
• "I'll never be an Anthropic researcher, but let me show you how to use it real cool"
• Vision includes bootcamps, books, and bringing engineers to God

AI Singularity vs. Second Coming Theology

Alex's GPT-5 Exploration:

• Asked: "How will humanity react as the singularity approaches?"
• Received 8 major paths with 32 variants:
  1. The Ascendants - embrace singularity as evolution
  2. The Regressives - panic and revert to pre-AI life
  3. The Resistance - organized suppression/sabotage
  4. Domination - AI becomes ruling force
  5. Race Conditions - AI arms race scenarios
  6. Integration - hybrid civilization
  7. Collapse Trajectories - economic/social breakdown
  8. Transcendence - humanity becomes more human

Theological Wrestling:

"There's nothing about Jesus in there anywhere... It is decidedly agnostic or New Age AI"

• Alex posed: "Is Jesus coming back in 2025/2026?" as "one of the top three questions of all time"
• "If there was a time in the storyline for that to happen, then I think this would probably make a lot of sense"
• Referenced NYC subway take: "I don't think 80% of [religious people] actually believe that shit deep down"
• Jordan Peterson's litmus test: "Are you willing to die for it? Are you willing to get crucified for it?"

Alex's Aging and Creative Dreams Crisis

Music Career Window Anxiety:

• Girlfriend showed video of young prodigy musician
• Alex: "Maybe that ship has sailed for me... my time has passed"
• Childhood dream of making album feeling increasingly distant
• "I hate that idea that I've matured past a certain window of opportunity"

Provider vs. Artist Tension:

• "The next 20 years... just gonna be focused on raising [kids] and paying for them"
• "This primary role and responsibility of being a provider is enough weight on one man's shoulders"
• Seeing 40 "in line of sight"
• Wrestling with passing creative baton to future children

Gary's Response:

• "Once you feel financially stable, you'll have more joy in creation"
• Art creation different now - less about raw hours, more about taste and network
• "Maybe God wants your kids to be musicians instead of you"

Character Over Intelligence Revelation

Gary's Key Learning from Year:

"Character is more important than intelligence. I've actually never said that before"

• Learned from Tulsa disappointment with Joe Liemandt
• "How intelligent are you if you're rebelling against God?"
• "Character is more important than intelligence and the current number of dollars in your bank account"

Joe Liemandt Scandal Revealed:

• Joe sleeping with married employee Mackenzie Price (face of Alpha School)
• "Every dollar from the Price family has come from Joe's involvement"
• Complex web: Joe hired Mackenzie's eventual husband, they got married, then Joe started affair
• Gary: "He has very poor character... but he's pulling off something I couldn't pull off"

Shared "Niche" Identity Recognition

Alex's Observation:

"We're pretty niche, bro... Asian American 30s... early entrepreneur Christian wide ranging spiritual path... Immigrant kids... went to good schools... A little bit crazy... Philosophical... creative community movement orientations"

Connection Depth:

• Alex: "There is this deep part of me that not many people can receive"
• Gary: "The overlap is pretty awesome and rare"
• Both recognize rarity of finding similar seekers
• "You don't find it every day"

Current Life Updates

Alex's Work Situation:

• Working "nine to nine every day"
• "Working like two or three jobs, basically"
• "Blessed with good problems" as projects gain steam
• Maintaining high standards: "The way you do one thing is the way you do anything"
• Pre-Thanksgiving push creating extra intensity

Relationship with Camille:

• Spending quality weekends together when she's in town
• Went to church together - "that was beautiful"
• "Building and growing a connection with a lady and life partner"
• Managing long-distance aspects as she travels frequently

Crypto Evolution Perspective

Long-Term View:

• Sees adoption as "left foot right foot" progression
• Notes ease of USDC Shopify integration: "This shit was one click"
• Compares to PC adoption taking 40 years
• Still believes in utopian experiments with AI-crypto integration
• "Maybe we're just early... we underestimated how long this shit would take"

Political Victory:

• Trump administration and tech/crypto oligarchy "winning the White House"
• "Free reign to implement the system"
• Utility validated at "highest possible level of civilization"

Movement Building Through Professional Excellence

Gary's Integration:

"It's one thing for me to be like a former engineer that becomes a pastor - that kind of looks weird, like I gave up on my skills. But if I'm like an engineer that just became Christian and supercharged himself because of that..."

Ministry Through Applied AI:

• "I can't wait to tell all these engineers that God is good"
• Using professional excellence as platform for faith
• "I don't have to do this without God... I'm leaning on God who's the ultimate business partner"

Faith and Documentation

Kanye Comparison:

• Gary recording conversations as act of faith
• "Kanye is such an arrogant fuck, but his idea of recording his life before he blew up was pure faith"
• Believes Kanye needs redemption arc: "God can do what none of us can imagine"
• Personal connection: "I would not be here without Kanye"

Key Quotes

• On Applied AI: "The antidote to Nick Fuentes is not a leftist Nick Fuentes"
• On singularity: "Is Jesus coming back in 2025/2026? One of the top three questions of all time"
• On aging: "I hate that idea that I've matured past a certain window of opportunity"
• On character: "Character is more important than intelligence"
• On their connection: "We're pretty niche, bro... You don't find it every day"
• On God's timing: "Ask and you shall receive... set the intention, and then people just somehow think about you"
• On movement building: "Movements of the future are going to be heavily tech integrated"
• On ministry: "I can't wait to tell all these engineers that God is good"

Action Items / Takeaways

• Gary fully committing to Applied AI consultant/educator path
• Multiple mentorship and partnership opportunities to evaluate
• Building Applied AI movement as alternative to political polarization
• Maintaining ministry mindset while pursuing professional excellence
• Recording journey as act of faith (Kanye inspiration)
• Alex continuing to balance intensive work with relationship building
• Both wrestling with tension between practical provision and creative dreams
• Recognition of their rare shared journey deserving documentation

Strategic Significance

This conversation captures a pivotal moment where Gary transitions from uncertain sabbatical to clear Applied AI direction with multiple opportunities manifesting simultaneously. Alex's theological wrestling with AI singularity versus Second Coming reflects the deeper questions facing Christian technologists. His vulnerability about aging and creative dreams mirrors universal tensions between provision and passion. The recognition of their "niche" shared identity - Asian-American Christian tech entrepreneurs with "wide-ranging spiritual paths" - highlights the importance of finding rare kindred spirits on unconventional journeys. Gary's revelation that "character is more important than intelligence" provides crucial wisdom for navigating tech culture's intelligence worship while the Joe Liemandt scandal illustrates the consequences of brilliance without character.