Extended Conversation: Brenda & Imani Gentry - Apostle Ministry Collaboration Strategy

Date: August 29, 2025
Participants: Gary Sheng, Brenda Gentry ("Crypto Mom"), Imani Gentry
Location: Austin, TX (restaurant meeting)
Duration: Extended conversation covering ministry collaboration, educational vision, and Liberty, TX documentation plans

Opening Context: Gary's Housing Transition

Gary's Situation: Shared his current homeless status after Tulsa scientist "rug pulled" him despite giving up his lease to move there for collaboration.

Gary: "I don't think he means to do these things. But he's like, not very good at... Time... Project management, understanding what it takes to make an idea, come to reality, hiring people, processes. Different people struggle with that, like assuming that they can make something happen."

Spiritual Journey Perspective: Gary framed his housing instability as spiritual journey requiring trust in God's provision through believing friends.

Gary: "It's been a spiritual journey, obviously, because God tells us for trust him, right? And that we've taken care of."

Brenda's Prophetic Prayer Methodology

Speaking in Tongues for Direction: Brenda explained her systematic approach to receiving divine guidance through extended prayer in tongues.

Brenda: "I like to... Because you speak in tongues, you speak in your spiritual language, because Romans 8:26, likewise, likewise the Holy Spirit makes, likewise the Holy Spirit. Praise for my infamities for I don't know how to pray as I ought, but the Holy Spirit knows how to pray according to the will of God."

Two-Hour Prayer Sessions: Revealed intensive prayer discipline for major decisions, progressing from difficulty with 20 minutes to sustained two-hour sessions.

Family Spiritual Gifts: Confirmed entire family (including husband after years of resistance) now speaks in tongues and operates in prophetic gifts.

Documentary Vision: "Gary Sheng in Search of the Next Azusa Revival"

Refined Concept: Brenda proposed more focused documentary concept investigating authentic revival movements.

Brenda: "I personally think it should be Gary. It's in search for the next Azuzah revival... When is the next, where will it break out? Like, you know what I'm saying? I like the Azuzah ventures, but you going into, like, we go, we go into the..."

Investigation Approach: Gary confirmed documentary as investigation into modern-day Christ-like miracles with documentation focus.

Gary: "So, look at this. Well, one of them is like, are there people performing Christian Christ-like miracles in modern day?... We're investigating for miracles... And documenting them. Because you hear about them and people are like, oh, they're probably made it up, right?"

Spiritual Reality vs. Material Reality Framework

Gary's Ontological Teaching: Articulated sophisticated understanding of spiritual reality as fundamental with material reality as downstream consequence.

Gary: "I want to, like, devote my life to just helping people, what I call, reenchant themselves with reality, because we are living in this... The spiritual reality is the most fundamental reality... It's almost just like a consequence. The material reality that we see is more like a consequence downstream from the spiritual reality, right?"

Miracles as Faith Gateway: Connected apostle's teaching that miracles bring people to faith, which is the ultimate purpose.

Christian Education Crisis Analysis

Formation Crisis Diagnosis: Gary provided comprehensive critique of current educational systems and their spiritual bankruptcy.

Gary: "We have a formation crisis, you know... You'd think that if you send your kid to a hyper-capitalist worship-money school, created by a person that just worships money, you think that they're going to turn out to be a God-loving person? They won't. Absolutely not."

Alpha Schools Critique: Detailed analysis of Alpha Schools as elite institution focused on standardized test scores rather than spiritual formation.

Gary: "The AI that gets you good standardized test scores. Is that really the goal anyways? So the way that the day is structured is two hours of this like AI platform that quizzes them in different subjects so that they can get good standardized state test scores."

Two Masters Problem: Referenced biblical principle of inability to serve both God and money in educational context.

Social Media as "Sin Infrastructure"

Instagram Analysis: Gary introduced concept of social media platforms as systematic sin delivery systems.

Gary: "Everything's a trap. You know what I call this? Sin for structure. Instagram is Sin for structure."

Imani: "Sin for structure. Yes."

Gary: "And it's a pipeline that only fits, by the way."

Twitter Critique: Identified Twitter as "Sin for structure for rap, for over information" preventing access to real information.

Brenda's Confirmation: "And the devil wants to keep you busy listening to that, and not reading the word."

Educational Alternative Vision

Auxiliary Program Strategy: Gary proposed starting with supplementary programs rather than full school replacement due to funding and mental model challenges.

Gary: "What's easier to start is like some kind of auxiliary program that allows kids from different schools to learn about their identity as a child of God, right?"

Modern Life Curriculum: Emphasized need for curriculum addressing spiritual warfare in digital age.

Gary: "So like, how to actually use these things to not just, for example, outsource all of your thinking to decide, but like, use it to do boring stuff faster."

Spiritual Reality Preparation: Challenged any education not preparing children for spiritual warfare as inadequate preparation for reality.

Gary: "If you don't speak about our spiritual reality, how are you act, how are you act as a Christian, as someone that believes in that, that believes in Ephesians 6, right? Like, how can you say that you're preparing kids for reality? If you're not preparing them for the most reality reality, which is our spiritual reality."

Imani's Creative Educational Vision

VeggieTales Model: Imani proposed creating shows combining entertainment with biblical teaching.

Imani: "You could have them make like a show like veggie tails or something like that. Like that's also like, it's teaching you, but at the same time it's like teaching God's word and everything like that."

Math as God's Patterns: Supported Gary's vision of teaching subjects as exploration of divine creation.

Imani: "Even like the way we do math, like yeah, like you just said, it'll be about God's excellence and like those principles like we'll be going to that."

Daycare Experience: Shared experience at "The Pillars" Christian daycare that compromised biblical standards (Halloween celebration).

Vatican Advisory Revelation

Pope Francis Consultation: Gary revealed his advisory role to Vatican on digital transformation, explaining why he doesn't publicize it.

Gary: "I advise the Pope. I advise Pope Francis on, you know, digital transformation last year."

Strategic Discretion: Explained decision not to include Vatican work in public bio due to potential misunderstanding about Catholic Church's spiritual condition.

Catholic Assessment: Provided frank evaluation of Catholic Mass as lacking spiritual presence while acknowledging people aren't "bad people" but "don't know anything else."

Denominational Navigation Strategy

Trans-Denominational Approach: Gary articulated his strategy of working across denominations without formal conversion.

Gary: "I think a lot of people, like, do nominational networks. That's what I mean. Like, my friends that want me to convert to this, want me to convert to that, I'm like, really? Like, that doesn't feel like the point."

Authentic Attraction: Emphasized attracting genuinely called people rather than conforming to existing religious structures.

Liberty, TX as Spiritual Foundation

Austin Shallowness Critique: Gary expressed fatigue with Austin's materialistic culture.

Gary: "I feel like there's a shallowness to Austin that I'm tired of. It's very, uh, materialistic."

Spiritual Infrastructure Priority: Emphasized spiritual foundations over material development.

Gary: "It's okay if people are over-looking like a town that's very spiritual, because the material part can be fixed if it needs to be, right?... But the most important foundational part is the spiritual structures of the town."

Every Town Needs Spiritual Mayor: Key insight about apostle's role in community transformation.

Gary: "Every town needs a spiritual mayor."

250th Anniversary Vision

America Refounding Opportunity: Gary connected apostle's elevation to America's 250th anniversary in 2026.

Gary: "I wrote that piece, I don't know if you read this, but I wrote this piece... Called... God calls you to refound America. Next year is a 250th anniversary of the United States."

New Founding Father: Positioned apostle as potential "new founding father of America" with divine timing.

Dr. Wilkins and Ministry Aviation

Military Doctor Partnership: Brenda shared story of retired military doctor from Kansas who moved family to Liberty to support apostle's ministry.

Brenda: "There's a doctor. A doctor. A military retired doctor... He said he was going to spend the rest of his life... Doing God's will. Taking a puzzle where he needs to go."

Private Plane Ministry: Revealed apostle travels via private plane donated by Dr. Wilkins for ministry purposes.

Prophetic Expansion: Brenda prophesied need for larger plane (8-10 seater) as ministry expands globally.

Weekend Visit Planning

Saturday-Sunday Schedule: Coordinated Gary's visit to Liberty, TX for Sunday service with apostle meeting.

Documentation Strategy: Planned initial low-key documentation approach using personal devices rather than full camera crew.

Gary: "I think just like starting off assuming that we need a camera crew is a great way for us to like not feel free to like just feel it out."

Imani's Role: Positioned Imani as potential camera operator and content creator for ministry documentation.

Ministry Network Expansion

Tampa Partnership: Brenda described young couple (Jaquon, 24, and wife 23) with prophetic gifts now partnering with Liberty ministry.

Brenda: "This kid is 24 years old. I think his wife is 23. They have a little baby. I don't know how a postal was able to detect that he has a gift... He goes to preach, you know, talk to people on the street about Jesus. He'll go to people and God will just- he said he didn't even know that he got that gift."

Street Ministry Miracles: Detailed Jaquon's ability to receive prophetic words about strangers leading to mass conversions.

Network Growth: Liberty ministry expanding through satellite locations with miracle-working partners.

Technology Ministry Vision

Lightweight Church Structure: Gary outlined vision for technology-enabled ministry networks without heavy institutional overhead.

Gary: "I have a vision for, and really I think it's God's vision, a vision for technology helping connect. Gifted ministers that are not tied to, like, a whole religion... But the thing that ties everything together is, like, shared technology, right?"

"Blessed by Apostle" Website: Proposed platform for connecting people to apostle-approved local ministers.

Not Church As Usual: Aligned with encounter ministry's tagline emphasizing departure from traditional church structures.

Hip-Hop as Demonic Religion Analysis

Frequency-Based Spiritual Warfare: Gary provided sophisticated analysis of hip-hop culture as systematic spiritual attack.

Gary: "Once you start to see that hip hop is a demonic religion, you're just like, wow, they conquer the world... Everything about it, saggy genes and like objectifying women, objectifying itself... Everything about it is awful."

Instrumental Frequency: Even instrumental hip-hop carries prideful frequencies that promote self-worship over God.

Cultural Unlearning: Gary shared his personal journey of unlearning hip-hop addiction despite loving it as recently as five months prior.

Beef Jones Relationship Dynamics

High Priest of Hip-Hop: Gary's previous assessment of Beef as "high priest of hip-hop" creating friendship tension.

Apostle as Transformer: Brenda's confidence that apostle could transform Beef's perspective on certain issues.

Win-Win Collaboration: Vision for Beef's documentary expertise serving kingdom purposes while advancing his career.

Kenya Ministry Opportunity

Deceptive Preaching Crisis: Brenda described Kenya's spiritual crisis with false teachers and cult activities.

Brenda: "It is so, so, it's just so much deceptive preaching. It's so bad that there is no, yeah, all the, it's just really bad... There was a big story in Kenya where these people joined and crawled. And 2000 people were told to fast to death waiting for Jesus return."

Organ Harvesting Scandal: Revealed connection between false pastors and international organ trafficking operations.

Apostle's Response: Apostle's enthusiasm for Kenya ministry: "He's like, let's go. Let's go. Like, you know, let's do it."

Remote Consulting Integration

Monthly Retainer Client: Gary shared his new business model helping business leader organize thoughts and worldview into systematic knowledge base.

Location Independence: Structure allows Gary to be physically present with apostle while maintaining remote consulting income.

Focus Strategy: Commitment to not spreading too thin by maintaining apostle ministry as primary in-person focus.

Miracle Documentation Standards

Anti-Kardashian Approach: Gary's vision for high-production spiritual content countering shallow celebrity culture.

Gary: "This is like the anti-carashia. That's what I want to like. And so what I want is for people to be like, oh my god, I've seen your TikToks documenting the apostle's journey."

New Testament Parallel: Positioning documentation as modern equivalent to biblical miracle accounts.

Production Quality: Emphasis on professional-level production values for spiritual content.

Healing School Vision

Historical Precedent: Discussion of healing schools from previous revival movements (Kenneth Hagin, Smith Wigglesworth era).

Modern Application: Vision for apostle-led healing school with systematic training in miracle ministry.

Funding Attraction: Recognition that healing school would attract significant funding from believers wanting to participate in miracle training.

Music in Hell Theology

Michael Jackson in Hell: Brenda's teaching about secular music being played in hell as torment.

Pop Music Spiritual Warfare: Extension of demonic music concept to all self-focused popular music.

Relationship Obsession: Analysis of pop music as promoting unhealthy relationship patterns and self-worship.

Divine Appointment Confirmation

Holy Spirit Timing: Brenda's testimony about Holy Spirit specifically prompting her to contact Beef about connecting with Gary.

Brenda: "This week, I had it and I tell my husband and I told them, didn't I tell you all? I woke up that Tuesday. I don't know when I text Biff. I had it in my spirit. I know when the Holy Spirit's talking to him. He said, Gary Shane. I said, Gary Shane."

Palace of Versailles Confirmation: Extended story of divine orchestration through Brenda's connection with apostle's sister involving prophetic word received at Palace of Versailles.

Grant Funding Strategy

Trump Administration Grants: Discussion of available federal grants for family and ministry programs that apostle's ministry could access.

Administrative Support: Recognition that grant applications require dedicated administrative team.

Property Development: Apostle has property suitable for expanded programming with grant funding.

Conclusion: Beginning of History

Historical Moment Recognition: Brenda's declaration that their meeting represents "beginning of history" for ministry documentation movement.

Divine Orchestration: All participants recognized supernatural timing and coordination of their connection.

Global Impact Vision: Shared understanding that their collaboration could impact billions through documented authentic revival movements.

This conversation represents a pivotal moment in Gary's transition from institutional constraints to authentic kingdom work, establishing the foundation for comprehensive documentation of genuine revival movements through the Liberty, TX ministry network while maintaining strategic independence through remote consulting work.