Call Summary: Ministry to Unbelievers Over Distance

Overview

Gary called Apostle Delmar to discuss how to minister to a very sick unbelieving friend who cannot be physically present at Encounter Church. Apostle Delmar shared wisdom on the superiority of in-person ministry while acknowledging that healing can occur over phone/Zoom, emphasizing that God heals because He loves, not because someone is saved.

Key Topics Discussed

Gary's Hackathon Victory

• Gary shared he participated in a hackathon building factory safety technology using his smart glasses
• Built a tool that warns users when doing something unsafe
• Apostle Delmar's response: "We got a tool that's called the Holy Ghost" - noting it serves a similar warning function

In-Person Ministry vs. Distance Ministry

The Power of Presence:

• "It would always be better to get them to come into the presence of God if you can get them to encounter"
• When unbelievers enter the atmosphere of "true love and power," it boosts their faith even when they "can't feel a thing" initially
• In-person ministry doesn't depend solely on the person's existing faith level

Recent Healing Testimony:

• Sunday service: A man named Sean (Shore's husband, Tara's spouse) came with multiple back surgeries, walking with a cane
• "He cried like a baby up at the altar. When God healed his back... He walked through that altar without that cane and walked back to his seat without the cane"
• He was a skeptic, grew up Baptist, never seen supernatural ministry before
• Wife called to confirm he remained healed at home

Distance Ministry Reality:

• Has ministered over phone and Zoom with results
• Has seen God heal over phone calls and Zoom
• Used for obvious reasons when people "just absolutely can't be there"
• Mostly believers seek distance ministry; rare for unbelievers to engage

Building Encounters Everywhere

• Vision to build Encounter locations globally wherever God directs
• Apostle can't be at all locations simultaneously
• Internet broadcasting helps people see live preaching
• Time zone challenges remain a significant obstacle
• Gary positioned to help with this expansion vision

The Challenge of Reaching Unbelievers Remotely

Why Unbelievers Resist:

• "Most people won't get on Zoom for ministry and hear words that are unbelievers... Like they just don't believe. Why would they even listen?"
• One jail ministry testimony: A woman came to church just to get out of her cell, but got born again anyway

What Helps Convince Unbelievers:

• Video testimonies and miracle documentation
• Snippets of ministry moments captured on video
• Even then, skeptics may think it's staged
• Elder T's transformation: Was skeptic about supernatural ministry until experiencing miracles personally

Words of Knowledge as Faith Catalysts

Jail Ministry Example - Blue Huffy Bike:

• Man serving 99 years for murder came for counseling
• Apostle worshipped before counseling to get in the Spirit
• Saw vision: young man on blue Huffy bike, fell and broke right ankle
• When told, "That dude jumped up out of that chair and jumped up against the wall. What is this?"
• Response: "God just wants you to know that he's here, and he knows everything about you. He loves you"

Other Words of Knowledge Examples:

• Told one man exactly how he got caught by police
• Saw specific detail: man running from cops, tripped over a little red wagon
• These personal details that "nobody else knows" blow people's minds and lead to salvation

Distance Words of Knowledge:

• Gary asked if Apostle has given words of knowledge on calls/video
• "I don't remember doing that" - suggesting in-person remains primary context

Gary's Sick Unbelieving Friend

The Core Question:

• How to minister to someone very sick who is not saved and cannot be present
• Gary recognized need to provide context about why God is real, Holy Spirit's presence and willingness

Apostle's Closing Wisdom:

• "God don't heal you because you're saved. He heals you because he loves you. Trust him."

Key Quotes

"We got a tool that's called the Holy Ghost."

"It would always be better to get them to come into the presence of God if you can get them to encounter."

"When they get in the atmosphere of what church supposed to be, they get in the atmosphere of true love and power."

"That dude jumped up out of that chair and jumped up against the wall. What is this? What is this?"

"God just wants you to know that he's here, and he knows everything about you. He loves you."

"God don't heal you because you're saved. He heals you because he loves you. Trust him."

Action Items / Takeaways

• Gary to explain to sick friend why God is real and the Holy Ghost is present and willing - essentially the content of their co-authored book
• Video testimonies and documented miracles serve as powerful faith-building tools for skeptics
• In-person encounter remains the gold standard for ministering to unbelievers
• Words of knowledge break through skepticism by revealing details only God could know
• God's healing is motivated by love, not the recipient's salvation status