AI Development and Spiritual Warfare Dialogue

Date: August 16, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng, Enrico Moses Duration: Extended conversation Topics: AI-powered app development, entrepreneurial empowerment, scriptural interpretation, Israel/Palestine theological analysis, rabbinical studies, Kabbalah teachings, denominational exploration

Executive Summary

Inspirational conversation where Enrico shared his breakthrough experience building his first app using ChatGPT-5, creating a dynamic pricing generator for his DJ services company. The technical achievement sparked broader discussions about AI democratizing creativity and entrepreneurship for non-technical people. Gary provided encouragement while both explored themes of divine purpose, working with non-righteous people, and Enrico's journey toward rabbinical ordination. Conversation deepened into sophisticated theological territory covering Kabbalah teachings on vessel repair (tikun), Gary's denominational exploration, Israel/Palestine spiritual warfare analysis, and the role of freedom in human conflict. Enrico demonstrated mature spiritual wisdom while navigating complex identity questions as a Black Jewish person pursuing rabbinical training in contemporary geopolitical context.

Key Themes & Technical Innovation

Enrico's AI Development Breakthrough

First App Creation Experience:

Enrico: "Well, I basically took out my sketchbook and I sketched out this idea for my sound rental and DJ services company... I like, I drew it up, I put it in ChantyBT and then I was just like, explain to me how to implement this, like I'm in kindergarten."

Empowerment Through Technology:

Enrico: "It feels empowering. Like, it really feels so empowering to just like having, like I literally sketched up the idea and it like, it came out, it came out exactly how I wanted... It probably wouldn't have been exactly what I wanted."

Real-Time Development Process:

Enrico: "It's kind of weird to like think about like, oh man, I can just come up with ideas and edit them in real time. And then, and then it was cool because I was like debugging it too. You know, like there's all these things that kept kind of like not working."

ChatGPT-5 Interface Innovation:

Enrico: "Like basically it like writes the code and then you can like press the button and run the code and then it runs the code right there on the page for you. And that's where I was like, oh shit. Like I can see what it looks like."

Entrepreneurial Trauma and Healing

Previous Startup Experience:

Enrico: "But this, this like makes me think like, okay, I could create an app if I really wanted to. Like where before that seemed so out of bounds... I have a lot of trauma around that. Like I started a, I started a, um, like my startup, you know, we raised like a quarter million dollars. And like, bro, the dude who was doing all the coding for me, like, I just feel like he fucked everything up so bad."

Technology Accessibility Perspective:

Enrico: "I think the people who are actually going to still be coding is like such a small percentage of like the population, like less than 1% of the population is going to be using these tools. And so I look at someone like you that knows how to do some of it and has a little bit more skill set where it's like you have a huge advantage for the next five to 10 years."

Human-Centered Design Philosophy:

Gary: "And I think the most useful apps are ones that are most in touch with humanity. You know?" Enrico: "Yeah, I agree. And like, and yeah, and like coming from a real human place of like, we need this. This is something that as humans, like we can tap into, you know, we can, we can make our lives a little bit better."

Spiritual Discernment and Working with Non-Righteous People

Biblical Framework for Collaboration

Wealth Transfer Scripture Application:

Enrico: "He was talking about this scripture and I looked it up and it's real. Where he talks about the basically like the non-righteous. It's like one of their roles in our society is to amass wealth and transfer it over to the righteous... the wealth of the wicked will go to the righteous."

Myron Golden's Teaching Integration:

Enrico: "And he was just kind of talking about how he's willing to work with anybody because of that. And I struggle with that... just it's my definite job to be discerning and to protect myself and my family. And that scripture kind of loosened me up to the idea of there's a purpose for the wicked."

Case-by-Case Discernment Approach:

Gary: "And I think it's the power of the human mind is that you can make judgment calls on the case by case basis. Right... it would make sense that it would happen sometimes through employment."

Personal Application and Relationship Patterns

Marcus Noel Connection Through Difficult People:

Enrico: "So I think it's not always so clean or clear to me anymore. You know, like what the role of someone in my life is... it's like there was there was wealth that transferred. You know, I made some money with him. I met I met Marcus. I met you."

Purpose-Driven Relationship Philosophy:

Enrico: "But I also have had that perspective of like, I also don't feel like it's my job to be so judgmental... I trust that there's a purpose for this relationship. Like, and I'm going to keep showing up, even though like there's certain things he was doing that would super trigger me."

Vessel-Based Investment Strategy:

Enrico: "Sometimes I see people as a vessel and they are able to hold light that I know I'm not able to hold. And so I'm like, you know, it's worth it to me to try to invest into those people... let me keep investing in them because I believe in that light."

Kabbalah Teachings and Spiritual Framework

Tikun Olam and Vessel Repair Concept

Personal Spiritual Journey Design:

Enrico: "So to cool it alone is like our personal kind of like our would it be it's like it's like it means to repair to cool. And so our personal like repair that we are here to do on this earth to our vessel... you came into this world and you chose the exact life that you chose so that you can repair parts of yourself to hold that light that God has put inside of you."

Trauma as Spiritual Curriculum:

Enrico: "And so like that includes like the type of parents you have, like type of friends you have, like the type of people who might have traumized you. It's like that can feel like all that is working for you or against you. But at the end, it's like you chose that path."

Divine Patience and Grace:

Enrico: "And it's like what I love about that concept is like God. God is always patient with you. You see what I'm saying? Like God has the ultimate patience with you as a human being. He knows you eat. It's like it's like a dad who's always there loving you. Like no matter what you do, God's just like they're loving you, wanting you to succeed."

Lifetime Learning Progression:

Enrico: "Some people in this lifetime, they don't they don't repair their tapu. And so then they get another chance to repair it in another lifetime. You know, and it's like what I love about that concept is like God... It just gives me like peace to know that in my soul that like I don't have to be perfect."

Christ and Kabbalah Connection

Historical Spiritual Integration:

Enrico: "And like, I've been asking chat, GPT, and it's my belief that like people like Jesus were very influenced by Kabbalah, like the love and the light. And, you know, it's like I think he was he was like coming from that space of like understanding what Kabbalah is and teaching that to people in his own way."

Trans-Religious Mysticism:

Enrico: "But the dope part about it is it transcends all religion. Like it's basically the mystical side of, you know, these religions and, you know, transcends. It transcends Judaism or Christianity in a way where it's it's a part of it."

Rabbinical Studies and Identity Formation

2027 Ordination Timeline

Study Program Commitment:

Enrico: "Did I tell you that I'm studying to become a rabbi?" Gary: "Yes, sir." Enrico: "Yeah, man. So I think that's that journey. I was meditating and praying on it yesterday. It's going to take me into 2027, where I think that's going to be the official year that I start school and really dive headfirst into it."

Preparation Phase Strategy:

Enrico: "And up until that time, I'm just going to keep studying as much as I can and learning more Hebrew and just reading as much scripture as I can. I can consciously read."

Heritage Connection and Fear Management

Lineage Spiritual Responsibility:

Gary: "And a lot of that is rooted in like. Yeah, reconnecting with your heritage and would some of it be like. Helping shape its future to maybe most definitely." Enrico: "Yes. And, you know, talking to you and, you know, like just talking to myself, like part of that scares me is like shaping the future."

Contemporary Jewish Challenges:

Enrico: "It's just like Judaism right now, like there's so much. Like I don't want to call it chaos, but there's just so much energy when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Jews, anti-Semitism, anti-black racism, like it feels so heavy at times."

Personal and Family Safety Concerns:

Enrico: "So then I'm like, man, who am I to try to address some of these issues? Because I'm like, man, I just feel like once I poke my head up and I don't I'm not just like, hey, I'm just Rico. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm becoming a rabbi. I just feel like I'm going to be subject to a lot of attacks... not just for myself, but also like potentially for my family."

Israel/Palestine Theological Analysis

Historical Persecution and Safety Framework

Jewish Survival Strategy Understanding:

Enrico: "So to me, that's like why Israel exists and why the Jews have worked so hard and invested so much time and resources into Israel is because like there's a historical context of like if we don't have Israel, we will continue to be persecuted and and killed and kicked out of countries and having to restart."

Religious Leader Warrior Dynamics:

Enrico: "So you have like these jihadists who can look at history and say, well, Mohammed was also a warrior. And so for us to be warriors, we're also acting in faith of God. You see what I'm saying? Which, interestingly, is very different than Jesus. Jesus was not a warrior. Jesus was about love."

Colonization and Reaction Dynamics

Root Cause Analysis:

Enrico: "It's not like, you know, people are just like out of thin air, just one day woke up and they're like, America, you know, I mean, Israel. It's like, well, there's a lot of colonization and a lot of abuse that has happened at the hands of America in some of these Muslim countries."

Gary's Validation Theory:

Gary: "Well, well, I feel like the the immorality of so-called Christian nations and in Israel validates Islam. Invalidates it. It validates it... It's like, of course, these are like extreme Islam. Yeah. It's like, well, of course, we need to destroy America because America's evil."

Simple Argument Structure:

Gary: "America represents Christianity. Israel represents Judaism. They both want to kill us. So we should kill them. Right. I mean, it's it's it's kind of it's such an easy argument, honestly."

Freedom and Warfare Philosophy

David Guillaume's Free Will Teaching:

Enrico: "And he was kind of speaking to that. And he gave wisdom to the fact that God essentially gives us free will. And without free will, we wouldn't we wouldn't have any freedom. Right. Like if God just gave you everything you wanted, you literally would be a slave and you would have no freedom."

Braveheart Freedom Framework:

Enrico: "So like, you remember, like that whole movie was about them fighting for freedom. And essentially he was saying all war, war in not all war, but like war in like most sense is like about fighting for freedom."

War Justification Through Freedom:

Enrico: "And so I think that's that's what resonates with me when it comes to all the war going on. That's why I don't I don't judge war as much as I used to, because it's like, who am I to say who should be fighting for freedom and who shouldn't?"

Jewish-Christian Relationship Dynamics

Denominational Bridge Building

Gary's Jewish-Christian Identity Validation:

Gary: "I mean, if you if you did end up resonating with any points, you know, I think that you being Jewish lineage as a Christian as well is actually quite beautiful. And the real point is that, you know, as some people say, Jewish brothers are the elders in the faith."

Grafting Theology:

Gary: "And then the idea is that, you know, Christianity is just like Christians are graphed. Non-Jew Christians are grafted onto the family tree."

Anti-Semitism Problem Analysis:

Gary: "And so I think that why there's so much like anti-Jew Christianity, it's probably because there's not enough people like you."

White Supremacy in Judaism Recognition

Internal Community Critique Necessity:

Gary: "And it's really unfortunate because you see how similar being a recipient of white supremacy and also anti-Semitism is... So I feel like, yeah, you kind of working internally in the Jewish community makes a ton of sense, like no matter what."

Gaza Colonizer Spirit Analysis:

Gary: "So, yeah, and I think like a lot of the worst, worst things that are happening in Gaza, et cetera, is like it's just the it's the colonizer spirit. Right. And, you know, it's the white supremacy, which is, again, really unfortunate."

Mirror-Holding Leadership Role:

Gary: "And, you know, without like people of the lineage holding up a mirror to their face. Like, I don't know how like I doesn't seem like I mean, it feels pretty essential, actually."

Jewish Identity and Christian Distinction

Messiah Question as Core Difference:

Enrico: "I resonate with my lineage, you know, I resonate with being Jewish, I resonate like my my great grandparents dying in the Holocaust, like I resonate with. Oh, yeah. Resonate with them... The one thing that Jews don't agree to that Christians do is that Jesus is the Messiah. Right now."

Prophet vs. Messiah Framework:

Enrico: "But that doesn't mean that we don't see Jesus as as a prophet and as someone who can take inspiration from... I just look at it like I don't have to believe that he's this Messiah coming back and all that whole story. I don't I don't and I actually don't necessarily resonate too much with that person."

Torah Foundation Recognition:

Enrico: "You know, like the Torah is the is the beginning of the Bible, you know, and I resonate with that. I don't to me. I don't see it as such a separation as other people do."

Strategic Collaboration and Future Development

Family Creative Integration

Multi-Generational Development:

Gary: "Dude, you should, you should do like a Vycoding day with your, with Mary." Enrico: "What do you mean by that?" Gary: "Just like chill with her and design stuff? Yeah, just hack, hack on it and then just like help her. Cause now you're a little bit, now you have some familiarity with the tools. And maybe even do it with like your oldest kid or something too."

Market Opportunity Recognition:

Enrico: "I was telling Mary about the Vycoding. And he has, you know, she's working with a lot more moms and stuff. I was like, man, you could create something for moms. Like, that's a huge opportunity right now."

Austin Transition and Divine Guidance

Housing Situation and Prayer:

Gary: "I am. And I believe that, you know, I was, I was strongly preparing to move to Tulsa. But God grounded me here for at least a little bit longer... I've been counting on friends over the past couple of weeks. Going on three weeks to just allow me to have time as I figure out what's next."

Spiritual Cleansing Process:

Gary: "But I've been enjoying it, man. I've been praying more and just able to really think about what I value. And what I, and just really just cleanse a bit from. I think, you know, a period of time that has taught me a lot once again."

Working with Non-Godly People Challenge:

Gary: "It's hard to work with people that are not godly, man." Enrico: "Tell me about it."

Conversation Impact and Spiritual Development

This dialogue represented a significant integration of technical empowerment, spiritual wisdom, and identity formation for both participants. Enrico's breakthrough AI development experience provided concrete validation of creative potential while connecting to broader themes of divine calling and heritage responsibility. His sophisticated analysis of Israel/Palestine dynamics through Kabbalah and freedom frameworks demonstrated mature theological thinking, while his journey toward rabbinical ordination revealed deep commitment to spiritual leadership despite legitimate safety concerns.

Gary's encouragement of Enrico's technical development combined with exploration of scriptural frameworks for working with non-righteous people showed practical wisdom integration. Both participants exhibited comfort with complex theological territories including denominational transcendence, mystical teachings, and contemporary geopolitical analysis through spiritual warfare lenses.

The conversation concluded with mutual support for creative collaboration, family integration of technology skills, and continued spiritual formation through challenging circumstances, positioning both participants for continued growth in their respective callings while maintaining deep brotherhood and theological alignment.