External Transcript Summary: Gary Sheng, Brenda Gentry & Apostle Delmar Coward Jr. - Ministry Collaboration Planning

Date: September 25, 2025
Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Brenda Gentry (@brenda-gentry.md), Apostle Delmar Coward Jr. (@apostle-delmar-coward-jr.md)
Duration: Extended strategic planning call
Context: Continued collaboration planning following Gary's September 7 encounter service experience at Liberty, Texas and ongoing ministry documentation partnership

Executive Summary

This transcript captures a strategic planning session between Gary Sheng, Brenda Gentry, and Apostle Delmar Coward Jr., focusing on Gary's upcoming return visit to Liberty, Texas (October 4-7), ministry documentation plans, global expansion strategy, and deeper spiritual mentorship relationship. The conversation reveals Apostle Delmar's 42 years of ministry experience including thousands of healings, his willingness to expand internationally, and the formalization of a comprehensive ministry documentation and amplification strategy spanning books, documentaries, and global outreach.

Key Themes

1. Upcoming Liberty, Texas Visit Planning (October 4-7)

Gary's Multi-Day Immersion:

• Duration: Four to five days (October 4-7, 2025)
• Purpose: "I don't know how much just like think just think about where it wouldn't feel Like a disturbance for me to be around possibly film. Um some stuff too"
• Documentation focus: Gathering testimonies, conducting interviews, shadowing Apostle's ministry activities

Prayer March Participation:

• Event: Saturday morning prayer rally in Liberty
• Apostle's role: Opening prayer and spiritual atmosphere setting
• Apostle's perspective: "It used to be called the prayer walk... I'm starting it out with um with a with a prayer and a little bit of a um She she likes for me to go first miss jane Because she says that I set the people apart"
• Strategic participation: Despite religious limitations, using opportunity for ministry exposure

2. Ministry Access and Documentation Strategy

Jail Ministry Limitations:

• Exclusive access: "they won't allow A lot of people and i'm the only one that can go in right? Because the liberty county jail has some issues"
• Safety concerns: Restricted access due to jail security issues
• Alternative documentation: Focus on other ministry activities and testimonies

Interview and Testimony Strategy:

• Mary's healing story: "one that had the puffy head with the multiple cancers. I wasn't married Right Does mary live nearby"
• Home visits planned: Meeting healing recipients at their homes for documentation
• Comprehensive coverage: Building database of verified miracle testimonies

3. Website Development and Digital Ministry

Technical Collaboration:

• Current progress: Gary building ministry website with giving functionality
• Apostle's response: "So I saw the stuff that you've done man, you are some Man, god has got his hands on you. You are talented"
• Missing component: "The only thing that they have he hasn't done is the button right the button for the giving"

Digital Ministry Vision:

• Global reach: Website as platform for international ministry expansion
• Documentation hub: Central repository for testimonies, teachings, and ministry resources

4. Global Ministry Expansion Strategy

China Ministry Vision:

• Government collaboration: "I want to Speak it into existence that leaders of all kinds of different governments I want to speak it as isn't that leaders of all kinds of governments are excited To open the doors and help us plan the tours in their countries"
• Strategic approach: Working with government officials for access and credibility
• Historical precedent: Gary's example of scientist working with Chinese government for 13 years

Africa Ministry Urgency:

• False teaching problem: "africa has a lot of false teachers people faking miracles Etc. And it's and I think it's because the african people they you know Why They're a lot of people are are preyed on because there's a spiritual hunger there"
• Authentic ministry need: Bringing genuine signs, wonders, and miracles to counter false teachings

Jewish Ministry Focus:

• Strategic error identification: "one of the biggest mistakes that I think american christians make is that they're like they really put You know israel jews on a pedestal original chosen people... But if you're not ministering to them as well you're you're basically laying down the tracks The highway to hell for them"
• Practical opportunity: Gary's Jewish friend's mother-in-law with severe leukemia as ministry entry point

5. Apostle Delmar's Ministry Background and Authority

42 Years of Ministry Experience:

• Prison ministry focus: "i've been doing this for 42 years and so i've been in and out of maximum security before I just stopped and started being a pastor"
• Massive impact: "people would line up for four hours just to get to our meetings"
• Scale of healing: "i'm sure it's thousands then right yes, oh thousands it's more than that... tens of thousands"

Local Ministry Statistics:

• Annual impact: "in this ministry just ministry around here without going to other countries we get Somewhere between four to six thousand people born again every year"
• Consistent results: "that's not in a big rally or something like that That's just what we do in the local jail and just around this area"

International Ministry Experience:

• Previous international travel: "i've been to mexico i've been to Bolivia i've been to chile I've been to in the spirit only only been to africa in the spirit um, bolivia chile canada"
• Fearless ministry approach: "I don't choose fear. So I don't i'm not afraid to go to china. I already been there in the spirit I'm not afraid to go to africa"

6. Healing Ministry Without Born-Again Requirement

Universal Healing Availability:

• Gary's question: "Has a miracle ever moved through you to someone that is is not born again?"
• Apostle's response: "Yes all the time"

Delaware Buddhist Healing Testimony:

• Situation: "there was a lady That came up to the altar god healed her... She had a friend that was a buddhist and um It wasn't a christian... She come up to the altar and she said would you pray for my friend They're on the phone They're in the hospital"
• Result: "I prayed for the friend In the hospital and that friend was a even I think they were muslim There was something other than christian and and god healed her"

Prison Ministry Examples:

• Physical healing leading to salvation: "one guy's leg is Three inches or three or four inches shorter than the other leg very substantial And god heals him And he gets born again, I mean who don't wanna Who don't want to serve a god that's real that answers"

7. Strategic Ministry Philosophy and Opposition

Religious vs. Kingdom Ministry:

• Religious limitations: Apostle's reservations about prayer rally due to religious constraints
• Kingdom power: "Well, you put god on the stage he always shows up and he always shows off amen always"
• Gary's strategic suggestion: "Let's make this the last time that you do this because We're going to be inviting the congregants of the religions to events that we put on Where we are able to do What you know god wants us to do"

Persecution and Revival Connection:

• Gary's insight: "the religious people will persecute us, you know, the the new pharisees are actually christians in in in the in the biblical times the pharisees were jews And this time it's christians"
• Revival through persecution: "but also what what happens when you get persecuted It also ignites a revival if you just stay stay locked in on the truth"

8. Spiritual Warfare and Authority

Fear as Demonic Spirit:

• Apostle's revelation: "Fear is the devil. It's literally a devil god said I didn't I did not give you a spirit of fear It's a devil and whenever you allow him to do his thing Only all he's gonna do is bring more devils"
• Job's example: "joe said it like this It was the thing that I feared the most that came up on me and overtook me"
• Authority over fear: "we don't do fear we do jesus. Hallelujah the real jesus not some Fake um little thing hanging on the cross"

Power of Words and Faith:

• Word-based reality: "see everything happens by seeds that's sewn by that's words that's spoken um Anyway, whether you win or lose the words words is all about the power of words"
• Authority demonstration: "If jesus said if I with the finger of god cast out devils, then the kingdom of god is near to me And i've cast out devils with one finger"

9. Baptism and Beach Ministry Location

Crystal Beach Baptism Site:

• Location significance: "It's a little bit of a drive from my house to the um to the coast Uh to the gulf it's in the gulf. It's that's the beach. It's over in the Crystal beach area"
• Historical importance: Site where tributary ministry vision began four years ago
• Gary's baptism plan: "so if you're willing to go to the beach when I visit I would ask you To baptize me"

Tributary Ministry Vision:

• Original revelation: "god said to me tributaries What do you think what do you think he meant? Dry place but this pool of water going out there and and Forming a circle of of course like a lake and then all of a sudden it's an oasis grass growing flowers growing"
• Global application: "Every place that we go in when god say go It's like a tributary. There's two things. So we'll bring new life And not only new life, but the power of god the resurrection power of god"

10. Biographical Documentation Strategy

Comprehensive Life Documentation:

• Gary's vision: "the way we're gonna do your Biography is not it's gonna include a book But probably multiple books as well as a bunch of other things like documentaries"
• Biographer role: "just start thinking of Of me and us as your as your biographers and it's time it's time it's time it's time"

Laws of Fire Concept:

• Book inspiration: "You are on earth you are the the person that knows knows the laws of fire Better than anyone and we needed we need to document that and back that up with your experiences"
• Historical parallel: Reference to "48 Laws of Power" bestseller as model for spiritual authority documentation

11. Chinese Cultural Bridge and Fire Recognition

Kansas Chinese Pastor Experience:

• Cultural connection: "there was this lady I was in kansas and the pastor in kansas She's from china... She wanted an importation She called it. She Um He said I want the chi. I want the chi. Can you pass me the chi?"
• Universal recognition: "I said I don't i'm not sure what she is, but i'm sure what the fire is take this... I laid hands on her and looked at the fire You call it the chi... it's the fire's god's presence"
• Impartation success: "when I did she received it... she started laying hands on people and it was and it was working. She was working through Eric"

12. Generational Calling and Divine Timing

Apostle's Prophetic Commission:

• Divine word received: "god told me on a saturday morning very early First watch the date. He said He said there are a lot of my generals are going home. Take your place right That's his exact words to me"
• Urgency recognition: "A lot of generals are going home. Take your place... It blessed me at the same time It put this um, man, we gotta get busy up on me as well"

Gary's Calling Recognition:

• Ministry amplification: "It's it's really a responsibility. It's a power and a responsibility to to to activate a nation of fire right and that's That's gonna be related to to events around the world it's gonna be related to books documentaries"
• Global vision: "a lot a lot of people will know who you are um, but I think why it it's the right thing to For people to know who you are is because you give the glory to god"

Significant Quotes

On Global Ministry Strategy

Gary: "I want to speak it into existence that leaders of all kinds of different governments I want to speak it as isn't that leaders of all kinds of governments are excited To open the doors and help us plan the tours in their countries Because it it builds I can see it building a lot of goodwill with the leaders of every country that are called to Essentially minister to and bring the miracle."

Apostle: "I don't choose fear. So I don't i'm not afraid to go to china. I already been there in the spirit I'm not afraid to go to africa"

On Ministry Philosophy and Results

Apostle: "Most of the people hadn't had a an experience with the kingdom."

Gary: "You are confirmation in a way that Is That would allow people to even be curious about the bible. I I mean that right that that's I have conviction in that that what we do together and explain and and relate to the world and experiences that we allow people to have"

On Spiritual Authority and Fear

Apostle: "Fear is the devil. It's literally a devil god said I didn't I did not give you a spirit of fear It's a devil and whenever you allow him to do his thing Only all he's gonna do is bring more devils"

Apostle: "If jesus said if I with the finger of god cast out devils, then the kingdom of god is near to me And i've cast out devils with one finger"

On Documentation and Legacy

Gary: "the way we're gonna do your Biography is not it's gonna include a book But probably multiple books as well as a bunch of other things like documentaries and stuff and so you know one just just start thinking of as one of the things that we help you with is just start thinking of Of me and us as your as your biographers and it's time it's time it's time it's time"

Apostle: "A lot of generals are going home. Take your place right That's his exact words to me"

On Universal Healing Ministry

Apostle: "I mean good lord, man There was nobody in the new testament born against it after jesus and he healed them all"

Apostle: "who don't want to serve a god that's real that answers"

Strategic Implications

Immediate Actions (October 4-7 Visit)

1. Comprehensive documentation of testimonies and ministry activities
2. Interview strategy with verified healing recipients
3. Baptism ceremony at Crystal Beach with documentation
4. Strategic planning for global ministry expansion

Medium-term Development

1. Website completion with giving functionality and testimony database
2. Book series development documenting "Laws of Fire" principles
3. Documentary production for global distribution
4. International ministry planning for China, Africa, and Jewish communities

Long-term Vision

1. Global ministry network with government collaboration
2. Tributary ministry expansion bringing authentic kingdom power worldwide
3. Educational platform teaching spiritual authority and supernatural ministry
4. Media empire countering false teaching with authentic demonstration

Relationship Dynamics

Apostle-Gary Mentorship

• Spiritual father-son dynamic developing through intensive time together
• Generational transfer of ministry authority and knowledge
• Strategic partnership combining Apostle's power with Gary's amplification

Brenda's Facilitator Role

• Prophetic connector maintaining divine timing and relationships
• Strategic advisor providing spiritual and practical guidance
• Documentation partner supporting comprehensive ministry capture

Team Ministry Approach

• Collaborative documentation leveraging each person's strengths
• Unified vision for global kingdom advancement
• Practical support through website, logistics, and connections

Future Implications

Ministry Transformation

The conversation reveals a pivotal moment where local ministry is expanding to global reach through strategic documentation and amplification. Apostle Delmar's 42 years of experience and thousands of healings provide substantial foundation for international expansion.

Documentation Strategy

Gary's biographical approach promises to create comprehensive record of authentic supernatural ministry, providing model for future ministers and validation for skeptical audiences worldwide.

Global Impact Potential

The combination of proven ministry power, strategic documentation, and international expansion planning positions this partnership for significant global influence in demonstrating authentic Christianity through signs, wonders, and miracles.

Conclusion

This transcript captures a strategic planning session at a crucial juncture where local ministry excellence meets global amplification opportunity. The partnership between Apostle Delmar's proven supernatural ministry, Brenda's prophetic insight, and Gary's documentation and strategic capabilities creates a powerful platform for worldwide kingdom advancement. The October visit represents a critical step in formalizing this collaboration and beginning the systematic documentation of one of the most significant healing ministries of our time.

The conversation demonstrates how authentic spiritual authority, when properly documented and strategically amplified, can provide a compelling alternative to both powerless religion and atheistic materialism, offering the world genuine encounters with the supernatural power of God.