Call Summary: Reconnection After Year Apart - Applied AI Validation, Personal Struggles, and Business Opportunities

Overview

Gary and Nicholas reconnected after about a year apart, with Nicholas having been in rehab. The conversation covered Gary's recent Rome trip and Catholic experience, Nicholas's extremely positive feedback on Gary's Applied AI/Hyper Agent Labs website, Nicholas's interfaith event planning, his ongoing struggles with addiction to crack cocaine and prostitutes, his firm rebranding plans, and spiritual discussions about faith and deliverance. Nicholas offered sales support for Gary's business and committed to hiring Gary for a $15,000 website project in March 2025.

Key Topics Discussed

Gary's Rome Trip and Catholic Experience

• Gary's Experience: Recently returned from a week in Rome, found it meaningful
• Nicholas's Perspective on Catholicism:
  • "Catholicism has become utterly corrupted. I think that's obvious. The pedophile bullshit, the new mass, whatever."
  • "I'm Catholic, I prefer to be Catholic. But, I like to say that all religions can save you some of the time, but Jesus will save you every time."
  • Believes people need religion, doesn't care if they don't pick Christianity, but doesn't want people to "be a hell Satan guy"
  • Critical of modern Catholic mass: "There is no functional mass in the Catholic Church"
  • "I love the Pope. I love the rave that you sent me. But with all of those things, the idea is correct. The execution is... It's just not right."
  • Believes mass is a ritual like ancient Greek/Roman/Egyptian ceremonies, but got "muddy in the late 1960s due to the new change, which was called Novus Ordo, the new order"

Applied AI / Hyper Agent Labs Website Review

• Nicholas's Reaction: Extremely enthusiastic and positive

  • "This is perfect. What a great headshot here. That's a great headshot."
  • "Oh, my God. Gary, this is it. You did it, dude."
  • "This is the best you've ever done, Gary. Everything is perfect."
  • "This is 1,000% ready. This is incredible. This is incredible."
  • "You literally are just a walking Google. Like any company can just hire you and then you just Google them."

• Specific Feedback:

  • Primary Critique: Make Hyper Agent Labs the blue call-to-action instead of the book

    • "My only critique is rather than having the bestseller of the book as the blue thing, make Hyper Agent Labs the blue thing in the middle."
    • "That's the only critique because that's the marquee. I want Hyper Agent Labs. The book, especially if you're giving it away for free or even if you're selling it, please, please, you don't want that to be your call to action. Hyper Agent Labs, that needs to be your call to action."

  • Quiz Length: Keep it short (currently 4 questions)

    • "Thank the Lord it doesn't need to reload. How's the quiz? Only four questions? Thank the Lord, Gary."
    • "No, don't make it any longer than this, please. I don't want to fill out a fucking four-hour questionnaire. Remember, business people need to save their time."

  • Additional Question Needed:

    • "You do need to add one question, Gary. Fifth question needs to be, is your firm capitalized or cash flow positive enough for a $15,000 or a $2,500 monthly retainer if this solution is a 100% 360 win?"
    • Suggested answers: "yes", "no", or "almost, not yet" - work with the "almost" people on monthly option

  • Consulting Page:

    • Suggested changing "Explore Consulting" to "Schedule 30-minute diagnostic" or "30-minute AI demo"
    • "I don't think you should do explore consulting, Gary. I think it should be something where it's just like schedule or book to your Calendly a 30-minute diagnostic. Do you know what I mean? Or a 30-minute AI demo. Like do a demo."
    • Strategy: Share screen during demo, ask what they have, offer beta pricing ($5,000 or $2,500 instead of $15,000) to get first paying customers

• Understanding of Hyper Agent Labs:

  • Nicholas asked: "So what is hyperagent? What does it do? Is it just, are you basically just going to run all their technologies for them?"
  • Gary: "Yeah, integrate whatever they need."
  • Nicholas: "So basically you just get to hire Gary?" / Gary: "Yeah. That's the hyper, Gary is the hyperagent."
  • Nicholas: "Very clever, Mr. Sheng. Very clever."

• Capacity Discussion:

  • Gary: "Only four or five. Does it just depend what they need?"
  • Nicholas: "You can probably, I mean, you're the AI guy. You can probably just scale yourself, right?"
  • Gary: "It depends. This is like pretty early on, but like the, I'm realizing like kind of so many people, so many people need this."

Nicholas's Interfaith Event: House of Abraham

• Concept: Interfaith peace event bringing together Hindus, Christians, and Muslims
• Venue: Renting One Oak for full day on Sunday
• Timing: Potentially June or August 2025
• Cost: Approximately $40,000
• Rules:
  • Halal (no alcohol served)
  • All women must veil themselves
  • No flirting, no dancing
  • Party until 4am with curated playlist "Hail Mary" (includes Tekashi69, K-pop)
• Purpose:
  • "It's kind of in the spirit of the Saudi public investment fund, even though I may seek funding from them, but I likely won't. Because I don't want to get involved. I don't want to be Jeffrey Epstein."
  • "It's just to bring the faiths together, like Hindus, Christians, and Muslims, and Hindus. Everyone's invited so that we can collaborate, interfaith. That's the whole purpose."
  • "It's just to be peaceful, have a mocktail, and then listen to some cool music, meet some people."
• Structure:
  • Called a "church event" in quotes
  • Firm is sponsoring it through a non-profit
  • Nicholas: "Because it's something that I want to do in my own personal life, because I think it needs to be done. And my firm is the way that I'm going to funnel the money to it, because I have a non-profit in the firm."
• Expected Attendance: 40-50 people (mostly Muslims)
• Greeters: Will have people to spark conversations

Nicholas's Addiction Struggles and Current Situation

• Addiction Status:

  • "I'm addicted to drugs and prostitutes, Gary."
  • Specifically: crack cocaine
  • "I really do. You know I do crack, right?" / Gary: "Is that true?" / Nicholas: "It's 120% true, unfortunately. But God is going to help me beat the addiction, isn't he?"

• Prostitute Relationship:

  • Costs $1,000/day
  • "My prostitute costs me $1,000 a day. That's what it runs."
  • Not primarily for sex: "We barely even have sex. We don't even have sex. I just need a girlfriend. It's just pay to play. I do not have sex with her. I've never looked her in the eye. We've never kissed. I've never kissed my prostitute, ever once."
  • Met at massage shop, considering marriage: "I'm literally about to marry a prostitute. We're going to go to China and start a family."
  • She's actually a positive influence: "She's actually a really good influence in my life. It's crazy how that sounds. It's not me being crazy. It's just me. I need someone to hold at night because I'm really lonely."
  • Typical arrangement: "$2,000 in cash, and then I buy her a MacBook and a new iPhone"
  • Speaks Chinese with her: "My Chinese has become really good, Gary."

• Financial Consequences:

  • Spent $40,000 in 24 hours trying to date a Bulgari/Van Cleef jeweler: "I went to New York City. I blew $40,000 in 24 hours because I was trying to date the Bulgari Van Cleef fine French jeweler, White Gold. I was trying to date her, so I was resizing all my Rolexes."
  • "I could have retired my mom with that money, Gary. I could have retired my mom. I could have paid off her house. I could have retired my mom. But I wanted to go be a cracker."
  • Made that money in one month "just being in the streets" (luxury goods resale)

• Current Living Situation:

  • Living with mother who monitors him closely
  • "I'm not allowed to leave the house because she's afraid I'll do drugs and prostitutes. Not allowed to leave the house."
  • "And I'm not allowed to hold any cash at any time. If I want cigarettes, she has to buy them."
  • Mother sees all his checking accounts and knows when he's paying a prostitute: "My mom knows when I'm with my prostitute because she sees all the money we make. My mom knows when I'm paying a prostitute because she sees all my checking accounts. I have a lot of checking accounts with her. She just sees me take out two grand. She knows exactly what I'm going to do. They basically know each other at this point."

• Work Status:

  • On short-term disability from Citizens Wealth Management
  • "I can't work, bro. I'm in such a bad place mentally. I can't work."
  • "They don't see anything because it's all governed by privacy laws. It's a short-term disability insurance plan, which means I get paid a jack squat. It's so pointless for me to work at a 9-to-5, Gary, but what can you do?"
  • "I'm literally Patrick Bateman during the day, except for I'm listening to K-pop on my MP3 player."

• Upcoming Rehab:

  • Going to rehab for 30 days starting soon (leaving for Florida tomorrow morning)
  • "I'm going to go back to rehab for 30 days."
  • "I can't talk for the next 30 days because I'm going to be back at rehab. But please be texting me. Sometimes I can look at my cell phone. One of mine. Just text me some encouraging shit."

Luxury Goods Resale Business

• Current Inventory: $500,000 worth of unsold merchandise

  • "I'm sitting right now on $2 worth of unsold inventory of my merchandise, because I've been buying stuff from YSL, Dior, Louis Vuitton, Bentley, Balenciaga. So, it's sitting in my warehouse. It's valued at two products. If I put them all together, it's valued at $500,000."
  • Planning to sell as "industry box" private placement

• Business Model:

  • Buys luxury items that aren't selling, resells at huge markup
  • Example: "I buy a $4,500 YSL purse because I have the right eye for it. Because no one in Manhattan is buying it, so I buy it because I know it's a good purse and I can resell it for $25,000."
  • "And then the YSL calls me the next week and they go, can we rebuy the purse because we can't stock it now because now people want it. I go, no, we can't have it back."
  • Sells to high-net-worth clients (Swiss families, Saudis)

• Problem with This Business:

  • "It sounds like, oh, wow, well, you're really good at making money. It's not good. It's not good."
  • "Because when I'm doing that type of stuff, I'm snorting, I'm doing crack cocaine"
  • "Money is the root of all evil."
  • The culture of this business leads to relapse

• Contrast with Simple Work:

  • "The best thing that I did today was that I went to work with my stepdad. We just did house construction. It was the most satisfying work I did all year, Gary. Really? I was just installing windows, and they paid me lunch, and I was happy. I got to smoke cigarettes all day, and I was happy. I want to be happy. But when I'm chasing this money, and I'm getting money through marriage, and I have to hire..."

Firm Rebranding and Website Project

• Launch Date: April 15, 2026

• Website Development:

  • Nicholas wants Gary to build the website
  • "You'll love my CEO. You'll love my CFO. You'll love my compliance officer. You'll hate the president of the board who's a crackhead addicted to prostitutes."
  • "And then we'll be happy to pay you a $15,000 annual fee for us to just utilize you because we need your help with some stuff."
  • "And I can give you specifically for you to code our website, Gary, and put us on treasury rails. You could probably jerk off and finish this website before it's done. I promise you that."
  • "So the firm needs to launch by April 15, 2026. That's the launch date. So I'll make sure that I have $15,000 for you by March. Okay, so can you please make sure that that's on your schedule for the end of March? You'll only need a week to code it."

• Business Structure:

  • Hedge fund
  • "It's for you, dude. You're literally going to laugh at what I'm asking you to do. It's a hedge fund. It's just a hedge fund. It's going to be so simple for you, dude."
  • "I'll give you $15,000. You can choose. I'll just give you $15,000 cash. I don't give a fuck. And then guess what? Then the following year, it can be $25,000. And then you can tell everyone the price is now $25,000."

• Role Discussion:

  • Nicholas: "Do you want to be CTO of the company or would you rather just do the consulting?"
  • Gary: "Consulting."
  • Nicholas: "Okay. I think we would prefer that too."

• Sales Support Offer:

  • "Do you want me to make sales calls for you?"
  • "Well let me know. Cause sometimes I get bored."
  • "But if there's people on the list that you don't, it's not an important relationship, you know what I mean? And you can let me experiment a little bit and you don't mind me calling them. Then just keep, I'll, I'll demo it. I'll do a sales call for you right now if you want. I swear to God. Anytime you want Gary, you just tell me, okay."
  • Payment: "You got to give me some sort of a kickback. You got to buy me cigarettes for like at least a month." / Gary: "Depends on how many cigarettes." / Nicholas: "It's two packs a day. Two packs a day is the price right now."

Spiritual Discussion and Deliverance Ministry

• Gary's Faith:

  • Non-denominational Christian
  • Nicholas: "What is your, do you, are you just kind of just like a world peace? And what is it? What is it for you?" / Gary: "Non-denominational." / Nicholas: "Everyone." / Gary: "Non-denominational Christian."

• Encounter Church Recommendation:

  • Gary recommended a pastor in Texas who does deliverance
  • "I have a pastor in Texas who wants deliverance." / Nicholas: "I need deliverance. Please connect me."
  • Church: Encounter Church (encounterwhereheaveninvadesearth.com)
  • Tagline: "Encounter where heaven invades earth. Miracles still happen. Divine healing is real. Come and see. Get your miracle."
  • Nicholas's reaction: "40 years of signs, wonders, and miracles. I'm going to send this to my mom. You guys should both come. I would love to meet your mom."
  • "I'm going to say, we are invited here by Gary. I would love to go and discuss my addiction issues."
  • Nicholas noticed the website design: "Did you make their website? Because this is a pain in the ass." / Gary: "Yeah." / Nicholas: "Holy shit. Help me get the nation."

• Nicholas's Spiritual Perspective:

  • "I'm just a religion person. People need religion. If they don't pick Christianity, I don't care. I just don't want you to be a hell Satan guy."
  • Believes in interfaith peace and collaboration
  • Critical of modern Catholic Church but still identifies as Catholic

Personal Updates and Miscellaneous

• Gary's Romantic Life:

  • "Do you have any romantic endeavors right now?" / Gary: "I'm trying to find this delivery that never got delivered once."
  • Nicholas: "Kanye. Kanye's team finally sent me my merch that I bought a year ago. He's such a standing asshole. I can't. I've done such a 180 on Kanye. I can't stand him."
  • Gary: "Yeah, I actually was thinking about Kanye. He's the dumbest person in the world. I watched this documentary that came out about him recently."
  • Nicholas: "He thinks I'm God's gift to humanity. Dude, your fucking daughter's already being pimped out by her mother. Okay."
  • Nicholas: "You didn't say anything about your romantic conquests. Are you still slaying these white hoes or no? You got to come back to your roots, Gary. The Asian women are so far superior. It's not even funny." / Gary: "Hey." / Nicholas: "Make your parents proud, Gary." / Gary: "Hey, ma'am. If you send one my way." / Nicholas: "You don't want one of them. Well, I have great girls. They definitely, they would definitely like you more than they like me. I will tell you that for sure."

• Physical Appearance:

  • Nicholas: "Dude, your fucking chest is huge."
  • Gary: "I weigh like 197." / Nicholas: "Really? But you're shredded. You're shredded, though." / Gary: "I'm not shredded." / Nicholas: "Do you feel like you've gained weight? I did recently. This is medication changes."

• Technology:

  • Nicholas recently got Motorola Razr flip phone
  • "I got the new, I got the new Motorola Razor, Gary. It's so cool. I love being in the Android ecosystem again. I'm so happy I broke away."
  • "And I don't like carrying around that big blocky phone, you know what I mean?" / Gary: "I started running again and running with a giant block is really hard."
  • Investment reason: "I have investment reasons to be with Motorola because they're a client of mine."

• Mutual Connections:

  • Nicholas: "Have you caught up much with Marcus?" / Gary: [response not captured]
  • Nicholas: "It's God's timing because it's the same. It's the same exact thing with you is with him. I haven't spoken to him for all this time because I was in the rehab. And then you and him started hitting me up at the same exact time. Isn't that crazy? Same ideas, very similar ideas. The Marcus style and then the Gary style."

• Mother's Financial Support:

  • "My mom has been bothering me because she's like, you're doing this, you're doing this. So I go, I gave her $8,000 today just to help her just be quiet."
  • "And I was like, well, mom, that's like all the cash that I have. So can you give me some of that for my cigarettes?"
  • Mother built custom house with stepfather: "My mom built my mom and her husband hand built a custom house. It's a million dollar house."

• Language Skills:

  • Nicholas speaks Chinese/Shanghainese
  • "My Chinese has become really good, Gary."
  • Swore in Shanghainese in front of his Italian mother: "I swore, I swore in Chinese, just like reflexively, because sometimes I'll say things in Chinese faster than I will in English. And she's like, hey, I was like, hey, I didn't know you knew that word. It was, it was Shanghainese too. But my grandfather was Shanghainese. So she knows, I can say, I can speak Chinese too."
  • The word was "shagwa" (retard in Shanghainese)

Key Quotes

On Gary's Applied AI Website

• "This is the best you've ever done, Gary. Everything is perfect."
• "This is 1,000% ready. This is incredible."
• "You literally are just a walking Google. Like any company can just hire you and then you just Google them."

On Religion and Faith

• "All religions can save you some of the time, but Jesus will save you every time."
• "I just don't want you to be a hell Satan guy."
• "There is no functional mass in the Catholic Church."

On Addiction and Money

• "I'm addicted to drugs and prostitutes, Gary."
• "Money is the root of all evil."
• "The best thing that I did today was that I went to work with my stepdad. We just did house construction. It was the most satisfying work I did all year, Gary."

On Sales Ability

• "I can sell ice to an Eskimo."
• "I cannot help. I can sell ice to an Eskimo."

On Work and Normalcy

• "It's so much easier for me to just make money with my own firm, but it's important for me to have that normal 9 to 5 so I can feel like a normal person. I don't want to be, like I said, I don't want to be Jeffrey Epstein."

On His Struggles

• "I could have retired my mom with that money, Gary. I could have retired my mom. I could have paid off her house. I could have retired my mom. But I wanted to go be a cracker."

Action Items / Takeaways

For Gary

1. Website Updates:

   • Make Hyper Agent Labs the primary blue call-to-action instead of the book
   • Add 5th question about firm capitalization ($15,000 or $2,500 monthly retainer)
   • Change "Explore Consulting" to "Schedule 30-minute diagnostic" or "30-minute AI demo"
   • Keep quiz short (4 questions max)

2. Business Development:

   • Consider Nicholas's offer for sales support (with cigarette kickback)
   • Prepare for $15,000 website project in March 2025
   • Schedule one-hour powwow with Nicholas late March for April firm launch

3. Relationship Support:

   • Text Nicholas encouraging messages during his 30-day rehab
   • Connect Nicholas with deliverance pastor at Encounter Church
   • Potentially meet Nicholas and his mother at Encounter Church

For Nicholas

1. Immediate:

   • Enter 30-day rehab program (leaving for Florida tomorrow)
   • Visit Encounter Church in Texas with mother for deliverance ministry

2. Short-term (March 2025):

   • Have $15,000 ready for Gary to build firm website
   • Schedule one-hour powwow with Gary late March

3. Medium-term (April 2026):

   • Launch rebranded firm on April 15, 2026
   • Execute House of Abraham interfaith event (June or August 2025)

4. Long-term:

   • Beat addiction with God's help
   • Build legitimate financial services business
   • Maintain normal 9-to-5 while growing firm

Strategic Insights

Applied AI Market Validation

• Nicholas's extremely positive reaction validates Gary's positioning and website
• Key insight: Make the service (Hyper Agent Labs) the primary CTA, not the book
• Need to qualify leads on financial capacity before engaging
• Short, efficient qualification process is critical for busy executives

Business Development Strategy

• Beta pricing ($5,000-$2,500) to get first paying customers is smart approach
• 30-minute demo format allows for personalized sales approach
• Nicholas's sales ability could be valuable resource if properly structured

Addiction and Business Ethics

• Nicholas recognizes the corrupting influence of easy money
• Simple, honest work (construction) brings more satisfaction than high-stakes deals
• Importance of maintaining "normal" 9-to-5 to avoid becoming "Jeffrey Epstein"
• Need to stay "under the radar" and avoid problematic clients (Chinese government, Saudi family)

Interfaith Collaboration

• House of Abraham event represents innovative approach to interfaith peace
• Combining traditional religious values (halal, veiling) with modern culture (electronic music, late-night partying)
• Potential model for bridging religious and secular communities

Spiritual Support

• Deliverance ministry may be appropriate resource for addiction struggles
• Encounter Church's 40-year track record of signs, wonders, and miracles
• Family involvement (mother) in recovery process is important

Relationship Dynamics

• Warm Reconnection: Despite year apart, immediate comfort and familiarity
• Mutual Support: Both offering help to each other (Gary: spiritual resources, Nicholas: sales support, business opportunity)
• Honest Vulnerability: Nicholas very open about struggles, Gary supportive but not enabling
• Professional Respect: Nicholas extremely affirming of Gary's work and capabilities
• Shared Values: Both value faith, integrity, and helping others despite different denominational backgrounds