External Transcript Summary: Gary Sheng & Joy Villa - Spiritual Warfare & Deliverance Ministry Dialogue

Date: September 28, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Joy Villa (@joy-villa.md) Duration: Extended conversation (3+ hours) Location: Austin, Texas - Hotel poolside meeting Context: First in-person meeting between Gary and Joy, discussing shared ministry vision, deliverance experiences, and theological perspectives

Executive Summary

This profound conversation captures the convergence of two powerful testimonies - Gary Sheng's recent Holy Spirit awakening after leaving Silicon Valley atheism, and Joy Villa's dramatic deliverance from 15 years in Scientology to become a deliverance minister. The dialogue reveals deep theological insights about institutional Christianity's failures, the reality of spiritual warfare, and plans for collaborative ministry focused on signs, wonders, and miracles. Both share experiences with elite power structures (Gary with the Vatican, Joy with Hollywood/Scientology) and discuss their calling to minister to deceived populations while maintaining biblical truth.

Key Themes

1. Joy's Scientology Journey & Deliverance Ministry Calling

Deception Despite Salvation:

• Early salvation lost: "I got saved at five years old... But then I was like oh I followed the Scientology. They said oh you can be a Christian too. But it's Luciferianism"
• 15-year captivity: "I was a Scientologist for 15 years and a Christian but stuck in that cult which is a satanic cult"
• Financial exploitation: "At the end of 15 years I was working like 12 hours a day for them for free as a celebrity... I'd given with Mike's husband 2 million dollars to them"
• Scientology's true nature: "They believe in this evil alien warlord came back trillions of years ago... captured souls into ice and threw us in a mountain and exploded"

Transformation to Deliverance Minister:

• Ministry training: "I spent the last two years learning deliverance. I came out of Scientology and then started learning deliverance, got deliverance myself, studied under ministers"
• Current calling: "I'm only 39 and I learned my absolute purpose is to cast out demons in the name of Jesus in the places I'm in"
• Ministry philosophy: "I don't have to be on some stage. I'm not trying to be like Pastor Joy... I'd rather be planted in a bar or planted in a hospital"

2. Gary's Vatican Experience & Spiritual Awakening

Vatican Project Collapse:

• Initial invitation: "A year and a half ago I got invited to... Vatican City... this Human Flourishing Summit"
• Digital transformation role: "We were talking to Pope Francis about digital transformation of the whole catholic church... with a plan to take over everything, the entire church globally"
• Project failure: "But then we know that he got really sick and so that took a pause"
• December 2024 crisis: "You can imagine me on around Christmas day 2024 just being like wow I just spent months getting ready to literally move to the Palace at Castel Gandolfo"

Underground Power Revelations:

• Gold reserves: "What that exposed me to was... there's trillions of dollars of gold underground... related to that network associated with the Vatican"
• Banking control: "It's known by this bank that really controls all the banks called the International Bank of Settlements"
• Alien disclosure: "I met people that have been to and talked to aliens and that there's bases in Germany, there's bases in the US"
• Cardinals' crimes: "One thing I was exposed to is Cardinals committing crimes and blaming other Cardinals for those crimes"

3. Holy Spirit Activation & Healing Miracles

First Holy Spirit Experience:

• Altar call moment: "When he laid his hands on me, it felt super sane... complete body, totally like... what Goku feels like when he gets charged up"
• Gary's realization: "I was like, oh, okay, okay, God's for sure real"
• No expectation effect: "I didn't have any expectation... it's not like a psychological placebo"

Eye Healing Miracle:

• Lost glasses incident: "I'll lose my glasses, but I had this hunch, maybe God wants me to take this leap of faith where I ask him for healing for my eyes"
• Healing manifestation: "My eyes are totally... Totally improved in a noticeable way. Not perfect"
• Faith activation: "They found it after I left, and they were like, do you want us to deliver this to your hotel? I was like, no, I'll pick it up later. Because I want to activate the healing with my faith"

4. Theological Critiques of Religious Institutions

Catholic Church Analysis:

• Joy's perspective: "The Catholic Church is the Roman order. They never left. Rome never left... Just became the Catholic Church"
• Symbol observation: "In every Catholic church, Jesus is dead. He's on the cross dying. Or he's in Mary's lap suffering... What about the risen Savior?"
• Gary's Vatican masses: "I went to a few Masses. I don't know why I don't feel anything. I don't feel a dang thing"

Evangelical Christianity Critique:

• Modern church description: "LED screens, skinny jeans and smoke machines. That's what Bishop Leon Benjamin, our mutual friend, says"
• Churchianity diagnosis: "Evangelical Christianity is now feel-good Christianity. It's TED Talk Christianity. It's churchianity"
• Missing elements: "There's no leading people to Jesus... You just go to church and they love church"

Jewish Question Discussion:

• Israel critique: "The Jewish state of Israel is very secular. There is no God there. They have traditions, but there is no Jesus"
• Evangelical confusion: "For some reason, evangelicals have equated Jewish with Christian. It wasn't like that when I was a kid"
• Ministry challenge: "We're supposed to speak the truth in love... Our job is to plant seeds and to be loving"

5. Deliverance Ministry Practice & Understanding

Robert's Anger Deliverance Story:

• Holy Spirit leading: "The Holy Spirit told me spirit of anger... I said, 'Can I ask you a question? Have you sought healing for the trauma of what happened to you January 6?'"
• Public deliverance: "I said, 'The Lord wants to heal your spirit of anger.' And then I said, 'Are you ready to let it go?' And he's like, 'yes'"
• Complete healing: "He woke up the next morning and said, 'I've had the best sleep of my life.' He started giggling like a boy. Happy, light, buoyant"
• Visible transformation: "Everyone said, 'Why do you look different?' Complete healing. That is healing"

Spiritual Warfare Understanding:

• Demonic hierarchy: "There is a hierarchy. Satan was the highest hierarchy... A cherub, which was allowed to be... closest to God"
• Numbers advantage: "Only one third of the angels are demons... If you have a whole army and only one third leave... you still have 2 million"
• Christian authority: "We have 2 million angels on standby... That is how we are supposed to be acting as Christians"

6. Homosexuality as Spiritual Issue

Controversial Discussion:

• Joy's perspective: "Homosexuality is a perversion. We know it is. It's in the Bible. I think it's a spirit. 100%"
• Porn gateway: "There was somebody... husband who would look at porn at night... women on women porn... he had invited that homosexual spirit in... and it went into his kid"
• Deliverance possibility: "It's really truly that. And they come in through portals... But it's also easy to cast them out"
• Gary's response: "Have you talked about this, the gay spirit stuff?" Joy: "No, I haven't. Not publicly" Gary: "Are you feeling courageous?" Joy: "I'll do it anytime, anyplace"

7. Nation of Fire Ministry Vision

Gary's Ministry Calling:

• Movement description: "I'm spearheading a whole multi-year movement... It's called the Nation of Fire"
• Not religion focus: "We may have an entity that's incorporated as a church, but we're not framing it as a religion"
• Mission statement: "Tools and practices and trainings for experiencing the fullness of the faith and direct connection with the Holy Spirit"
• Global crusades: "We're going to go on miracle crusades. A lot of it's going to happen in Africa"

Liberty, Texas Connection:

• Apostle Delmar: "This guy in Liberty is convinced that we will all create an amazing revival of fire"
• Miracle testimonies: "This guy... has performed tens of thousands [of healings] over the last 42 years"
• Divine timing: "God chose this man, who's now in his 60s, for this moment because he never did it for the fame"

8. Tech World to Ministry Transition

Gary's Journey:

• Atheist background: "I grew up in an atheistic household... For 20 plus years... doing whatever would make [my parents] proud"
• Career path: "Four years at Google... software engineer on Google Cloud"
• Secular religion: "Silicon Valley tech people... have a religion for worshipping of progress"
• Awakening process: "Four and a half years ago I listened to Sunday Service... Kanye West... I was like alright it's time for me to actually give this God stuff a shot"

Rage Spirit Revelation:

• 2017 possession: "I got really mad about Trump's election. And I joined Sean King... volunteered for him"
• Woke Folks page: "The page I was building was called Woke Folks... 800K followers. Billion impressions"
• Recognition: "I was totally possessed... I was totally possessed by rage"
• Current understanding: "I spent my career in tech... I will use my tech skills to grow this miracle ministry"

9. Truth About Modern Christianity

Holy Spirit Absence:

• Gary's observation: "My theory is that most Christians have never been in an environment where there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit"
• Different experience: "It's a completely different experience, and your knowing of God is going to be completely different"
• Following God's will: "Even people that don't really think about the Holy Spirit... 'God's will, not my will.' Okay, how do you even know what God's will is?"

Today's Pharisees:

• Gary's insight: "Can I tell you who the Pharisees today are? Christians... It's the churchians"
• Opposition expected: "It's the churchians that are going to be upset and deny and say this is fake"
• History rhyming: "History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes... It's the institutionalists"

10. Future Collaboration Plans

Podcast Vision:

• Topics planned: Discussion of controversial spiritual topics including homosexuality as spirit, Catholic Church critique, Jewish evangelism
• Strategic approach: "To strategize the interview... What we can talk about is the churches that are confused"
• Truth in love: "We have to speak the truth in love. That's the problem with Candace Owens... She says a lot of truth, but she doesn't say it with love"

Ministry Convergence:

• Joy's move: "End of November we'll be in Texas"
• Shared mission: "I think the people on this call will be helping spark a new revival that is badly needed"
• Media strategy: "Every time a mic is going to be in front of me, I'm going to say the name of Jesus and share my story"

Powerful Quotes & Revelations

On Spiritual Reality:

• Joy: "We are superheroes through Christ... This is what we get to live"
• Gary: "Everything in the Bible is just true... It's a wild thing to wrap your head around"
• Joy: "Praying grandmas have been saying that for years, and we didn't believe them"

On Ministry Calling:

• Joy: "We're supposed to be radical. We're supposed to be offensive"
• Gary: "There's no higher calling than to teach people the truth and help them experience... having a real encounter with the living God"
• Joy: "My dad was an evangelist... I actually got ordained too as a minister but I don't go around being like I don't use my title. It's not about that"

On Institutional Deception:

• Joy: "Scientology and Catholicism are so similar, you wouldn't believe it... the agent at the end is Satan"
• Gary: "The average [in these institutions] is probably not very good"
• Joy: "Satan loves to put those kind of people in churches"

Strategic Ministry Insights

Deliverance Approach:

• Simple process: "Spirit of confusion, leave in the name of Jesus. And a lot of times... you'll feel brighter"
• Not dramatic: "It's not heads turning. People throwing up. Sometimes I guess it can look like that. But a lot of it is so subtle"
• Authority understanding: "Jesus didn't have all those trinkets... Christian churches have an empty cross"

Revival Timing:

• Current movement: "I believe that God is calling his saints... to get more impassioned, more empowered"
• Prophetic understanding: "The Lord is bringing me people to work with... moving in the spiritual universe"
• Action required: "We all have to be handling our mountains, our field. And it has to be progressive"

Meeting Conclusion & Next Steps

The conversation concluded with:

• Prayer together for Gary's ministry and vision
• Plans for future podcast recording
• Exchange of contact information
• Commitment to collaborate on ministry documentation
• Recognition of divine appointment in their meeting

Joy's closing prayer: "Thank you for this man of God that you brought here. Thank you for this meeting of the minds... Lead the people to him that you want him to meet and prosper his journey and his ministry with abundance and the vision that you gave him"

This dialogue represents a significant convergence of testimonies and ministries, with both Gary and Joy recognizing divine orchestration in their meeting and shared calling to expose deception while demonstrating authentic supernatural Christianity.