Call Summary: Divine Timing, Generational Healing, and Kingdom Work in Education

Overview

A profound theological and personal conversation between Gary and his spiritual mother Ida Villavicencio, covering divine timing in healing and deliverance, generational curses, Gary's past as a humanist, family histories of ministry, reflections on the failed Tulsa opportunity, Ida's transformative work with at-risk youth, and a miraculous cancer healing testimony.

Key Topics Discussed

Divine Timing and Spiritual Readiness

• On Thoughts and Healing: Discussion about how thoughts come "when they're supposed to come" and healing/deliverance happens "when we're ready"
• Gary's Observation: "We have less control over our thoughts than we would assume... the thoughts come when they're supposed to come"
• Ida's Counseling Gift: She can see students at the age when their trauma occurred
  • "I might see an 18 year old and see him at like 7 years old... wearing a plaid shirt... funny shoes... playing with the fire engine"
  • Students respond: "How would you know?" and she points upward to God
  • Often the first person they've ever told about their trauma

Generational Impact and Parental Responsibility

• Core Truth: "Your kids reap what you sow" - discussion on how generational curses are real
• Gary's Insight: "It's really amazing just how much parenthood affects the kids"
• Ida's 30 Years of Observation: Seen "horrible parents" doing damage by:
  • Never speaking life into children
  • Calling them names, telling them they shouldn't have been born
  • Example of Bethany being told she was "a curse" by alcoholic father

Gary's Spiritual Journey

• Past Identity: "I called myself a humanist. But then I realized that's not what God wants"
• Key Realization: "If you try to be Christian without being Christian, it goes wrong in all sorts of ways"
• Ida's Perspective: It's like "a generic version" versus "the real version of something"
• Fear of God: Gary embraces that "fear of God is the beginning of knowledge" - makes him "want to be a better person according to the eyes of God"

Family Ministry Heritage

• Gary's Great-Grandfather: Christian pastor in China - family didn't discuss until last year
  • Gary believes "all these things get revealed when they need to be revealed"
• Ida's Great-Great-Grandfather: Minister who rode horseback between villages
  • Shot and killed by Native American (possibly mistaken identity due to pale skin/blue eyes)
  • Family stayed faithful: "Instead of getting angry and bitter... I stayed faithful"
  • This story helped Ida when her mother died - avoiding 10 years of bitterness
• Gary's Response: "What a great way to die" (in ministry)

Reflection on Tulsa Opportunity

• The Billionaire's Character:
  • Adulterer "disloyal to basically everyone"
  • Co-founder doing housekeeping: "What kind of state of affairs is it that your co-founder's doing housekeeping work at your mansion?"
  • Working on "shrubbery" instead of building the manufacturing company
• Ida's Spiritual Interpretation:
  • "Whatever happened when he decided not to go with you was spiritual"
  • Compared to Pharaoh's hardened heart in Exodus
  • "It was part of the plan" - Gary gained valuable information and perspective
• Gary's Surrender: "It doesn't really matter what my will is"

Ida's Current Kingdom Impact in Education

• Teaching 20 At-Risk Students:
  • Half are Black young men "who were on the wrong track"
  • No curriculum - led purely by Holy Spirit: "I speak into their spirits"
  • Transformation from first day to now is "night and day"
• College Preparation Ministry:
  • "Before you graduate, you will have your college acceptance, financial aid, scholarships, and a plan"
  • Students now "walking taller, smiling"
  • Telling coaches: "I'm going to be an accountant when I grow up"
• Kingdom Impact: "Even if I were only there 30 days, my work for the kingdom has changed the direction of their lives"

Miraculous Healing Testimony - Nori

• Terminal Diagnosis: Brain cancer spread to lymph nodes and organs
  • Doctors: "Six weeks to live. Get your house in order. There's nothing that can be done"
• Prayer Intervention:
  • Prayer group of 10 women met for 2+ years
  • Already seen "so many miracles" - breast cancer, infertility, deliverances
  • Healer came through Aunt Elba's connection at perfect timing
• Miraculous Result:
  • After 3 months, body scan showed "no trace of cancer"
  • Gary requested medical records for case study documentation
• Traumatic Background:
  • Husband tried to kill her twice over 10 years
  • First assault: kicked down stairs while pregnant, lost baby
  • Second attempt: about to crush her with rock, saved by waste management workers
  • Husband died of overdose 3 days after arrest
  • Doctor believes extreme stress/inflammation triggered cancer
• Current Joy: At 62, getting married tomorrow (bridal shower) - first time since trauma

Philosophy on Divine Appointments

• Information Gathering: "You get to be in the know of information... at a divine appointment for information that you could use somewhere else"
• God's Sovereignty: "It doesn't matter what it is that you think you want. God knows what's best for you"
• Comfort in Surrender: Gary finds it "comforting in a way where it's not really about your decisions... if you surrender your will, you're where God needs you to be"

Key Quotes

• On Spiritual Reality: "If you think about just being on this planet and we're just a big ball of gas floating in space... and then you think that there's no spirit world, that makes no sense to me"
• On Heritage Impact: "I felt like in my lineage, we had heroes, and that helped me as I went through things"
• On Gary's Past Path: "Most people wouldn't have even done [Civics Unplugged] if it wasn't already something there that was good... You had to have believed that humanity was worth it"
• On Current Calling: Different eras have different callings - "Now it's more like be obedient and put your worldly ego at the altar"

Action Items / Takeaways

• Gary to receive Nori's medical records for miracle healing case study
• Ida shopping in Austin for Nori's bridal shower
• Continued reflection on divine timing and sovereignty in career decisions
• Recognition that traumatic experiences can manifest as physical illness (stress → inflammation → cancer)
• Importance of family heritage stories in maintaining faith through trials

Spiritual Insights

The conversation revealed deep theological truths about divine timing, the reality of generational impact, and God's sovereignty over career and life decisions. Ida's work with at-risk youth demonstrates practical kingdom impact through education, while Nori's healing testimony provides documented evidence of miraculous intervention. Gary's reflection on his humanist past and the Tulsa opportunity shows continued growth in surrendering personal will to divine purpose.