Extended Strategic Discussion: Economic Reality, Spiritual Awakening, and Civilizational Challenges

Date: August 22, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng, Alex Baydar Duration: Extended conversation Location: Phone call Context: Deep philosophical and strategic discussion covering economic collapse, spiritual frameworks, and practical business realities

Executive Summary

This conversation represents a profound exploration of civilizational collapse, spiritual awakening, and practical survival strategies. Gary and Alex engage in sophisticated analysis of economic manipulation, educational fraud, technological disruption, and the narrow path of Christ-centered living amid systemic corruption. The discussion reveals both participants' evolution toward truth-seeking over material success, with Alex sharing crucial insights from his building systems integration work that mirrors broader economic perversions.

Key Themes

Economic Collapse and Market Manipulation

Historical Valuation Crisis Analysis: Gary referenced economic analysis showing systemic overvaluation:

"If we're 200% over historical average valuation, it will take 45 years for a 2 1/2% growth rate to get us to a historically regressed average valuation, which will not have moved us one penny... We need, like, 10% GDP growth."

Skills Deficit Recognition: Gary articulated the fundamental challenge:

"We don't have that many people that know how to do extremely valuable things right now... The people that chose extremely boring and honestly, not very high class jobs... All those [office jobs] are so fucking automatable because all digital."

Crypto as Financial Fraud: Gary's devastating critique of cryptocurrency:

"The only way that you can make any money in crypto is if you're an insider trading. That's it, bro... I cannot name a single thing that actually was like, whoa, this is fucking awesome."

Educational System as Brainwashing Infrastructure

Psychological Warfare Through Education: Gary's analysis of educational purpose:

"Where did it come from? Why did we need schools to begin with? We got to create soldiers. You got to create these people to serve the nation state. You have to brainwash them to do that."

Experience vs. Education Value: Alex's practical validation:

"Take somebody and actually have them do the job versus study for it... Anybody who's done anything in their life would agree. You would much value the experience over the education... Education just tells you: Are they a good obedient student."

Spiritual Warfare and Truth-Seeking

Tucker Carlson as Truth-Teller Archetype: Gary's assessment of media transformation:

"I think that he saw like a crossroads in his mind, in his heart like he can either expose the truth, or he can die a fraud. And I think a lot of people are making that choice right now."

Christ vs. Two Masters Problem: Gary's spiritual framework:

"This is why the two masters problem is so real... Money can make you avoid God. Money can stay off the conversations... Do people come to Christ in deep faith in a non culturally Christian way when they're materially wealthy or when they are suffering material? It's not even close."

Spiritual Innovation Requirement: Alex's insight on pattern pollution:

"We've soiled the path so much that it's like it's hard to use that same path again... We've polluted a pattern that was actually true to the point where we can't use that pattern and we can't use that truth anymore."

Civilizational Reconstruction Vision

First Principles Approach: Gary's framework for rebuilding:

"Our job is to democratize human flourishing so that no matter what, no matter how bullshit our economy is, we have the blueprints to rebuild civilization... We're going to need to really be thinking from first principles what do we actually need in our civilization."

Lighthouse Mission Concept: Alex's metaphor for guidance:

"I feel like there should be like a lighthouse... The lighthouse is like it's a mission or the purpose is to kind of give you direction... You're lost at sea it's like well look for the lighthouse so you can get to back to shore."

Economic Perversion Case Study: Alex's Building Systems Work

Perverse Incentive Structure: Alex's profound realization about his most profitable project:

"It's easily by far and away the most valuable job I've ever worked on... Had I even proposed half of the money they've paid me so far on the initial engagement they would have gone with someone else... If I told them it was fifty thousand dollars to finish this job they would have said get the fuck out we'll find someone else."

Time and Material vs. Fixed Price: Alex's strategic positioning:

"I told them our engagement is going to be time and material. I will work as much time and as and I'll provide as much material as necessary to complete the job... I cannot give you a number because I don't know what problems I'm going to encounter."

Government Money Reality: Alex's observation about public funding:

"Money is not real it's really not real... There is no limit... They're still going to take the other contractor to court over that amount and there will be some sort of settlement."

Moral Conflict in Profit Maximization: Alex's internal struggle:

"My benefit is way greater when I can solve repeated problems over a long period of time... It's almost better for me to just keep incrementing towards the goal never actually getting to the goal... because my incentives are structured to get paid every time I work."

Systemic Corruption Analysis

Institutional vs. Individual Critique: Gary's strategic analysis:

"They don't want you to critique the institutions... If you take down the individual, it's just like a terrorist cell, right? The next one just steps up... Once you punish a whole company, well, now you have to look at the industry."

Revolving Door Power Structure: Gary's government-industry connection insight:

"One of the heads of Palantir... Former congressperson. Probably making 100 times more than he ever made in a year. 100x. You think that these people don't know that?"

Elite Corruption Humanization: Gary's direct experience:

"I'm able to humanize power... It's not like this magical thing, in fact. It's just humans making choices to silence their conscious... I've seen Oz behind the curtain."

Dark Age Prediction and Preparation

Multi-Decade Decline Forecast: Gary's sobering assessment:

"I think that we're about to enter a multi decade dark age... There's no quick fixes for our major skills deficits that would allow for the major resourcing deficits that we have to build American sovereignty."

Skills Training Timeline Reality: Gary's practical analysis:

"How fast can we construct [schools of the future]? And then how fast can we train people? And then how fast can they make an impact to fill the deficits? If we're not importing people anymore... There's no quick fixes."

Spiritual Preparation for Material Decline: Gary's Christ-centered framework:

"Do people come to Christ in deep faith... when they're materially wealthy or when they are suffering material? It's not even close... This is why the two masters problem is so real."

Personal Development and Relationship Dynamics

Chris's Trajectory Analysis

Crypto Trading as Delusion: Gary's assessment of their mutual friend:

"Chris, specifically... He happens to have over indexed on trying to beat a rigged system... The whole thing is crypto just taught me so much about how the only way that you can make any money in crypto is if you're an insider trading."

Social Isolation Through Material Focus: Alex's observation:

"He's like avoiding social engagements because he doesn't want to be kind of confronted with his reality. He's like embarrassed by the fact that he's at home, that he's not making money... It further removes him from the social engagement."

Parental Wisdom Gap

Generational Knowledge Obsolescence: Alex's recognition:

"Our parents have no idea how to even talk about our time... The wisdom doesn't apply, it doesn't apply. It's really sad."

Golden Age Nostalgia vs. Reality: Gary's "Make America Great Again" analysis:

"Make America great again... in terms of material wealth... and then the ability to not have to think about God because you're just crushing it... China experienced this in a more expedited way in the last 20 years, but then what happened? The suicide rates are so fucking high there."

Technical and Professional Insights

Building Systems Industry Dynamics

Value Creation vs. Problem Perpetuation: Alex's industry critique using medical analogy:

"It's like the apple vs. the ibuprofen... The apple will keep you healthy right but nobody values the apple greater than the pain reliever... Once you're on the pain reliever you have to constantly go back."

Government Contract Inefficiency: Alex's Bronx school project revelation:

"You go to the place and you don't want to be there more than five minutes... You see the surroundings you're like oh am I building a mansion in a desert... How is this where I'm making all of my money?"

AI and Automation Impact

Technical Literacy as New Literacy: Alex's market observation:

"How many times in the last hundred years that somebody was like oh do you know how to read and write? Oh no, you must be poor. And now it's like do you know how to use AI? No? Oh you must be poor."

Market Valuation Bubble: Alex's stock market analysis:

"You take away all the AI based projects companies... the market is in the toilet. That's what's keeping the market going, the magnificent seven they call it... There's not many other options of things."

Spiritual and Philosophical Framework Development

Pattern Recognition and Truth-Seeking

False War Recognition: Gary's political analysis:

"It's literally a war between materialists... Communist versus libertarian... This false war when it's a holy war... Two lies that distract you from truth."

Born Again Necessity: Gary's spiritual framework:

"This is why you have to be born again because you have to leave your life of lie behind... The allegory of the cave... Why were we put in that cave? What is the consequence of staying that cave?"

Christ-Centered Business Philosophy

Narrow Path Recognition: Gary's response to Alex's moral conflict:

"I don't think the answer is to have a sinful job... The path is narrow, you know that is very narrow."

Spiritual Innovation Requirement: Gary's ministry approach:

"We gotta innovate spiritually... The human is the most important part. It's the human living in truth that can figure out a way to innovate if they're that deep in truth."

Strategic Implications and Next Steps

Reconstruction Preparation

Blueprint Development: Gary's civilizational vision:

"Our job is to democratize human flourishing so that no matter what, no matter how bullshit our economy is, we have the blueprints to rebuild civilization."

First Principles Methodology: Alex's construction framework:

"First principles approach... you have to suspend all assumptions... No assumptions allowed... When you do that... it's very hard to argue with something that's built from something solid."

Practical Survival Strategies

Serving the Hyper-Wealthy: Gary's pragmatic assessment:

"Unfortunately, fortunately, unfortunately, serving the hyper wealthy is going to be a good idea to stay alive... We're going to be living in an economy where your value has to be real value."

Technical Literacy Education: Alex's market opportunity:

"Technical literacy school... Going to the villages... These boomers aren't dying. In fact that's where all their money's going to go is treatments and shit."

Conclusion and Relationship Dynamics

This conversation demonstrates both participants' continued evolution toward truth-seeking over material success. Alex's building systems work provides a perfect microcosm of broader economic perversions, while Gary's spiritual framework offers a path through civilizational collapse. Their mutual recognition of systemic corruption, combined with practical skills and spiritual grounding, positions them as potential lighthouse figures for others navigating the narrow path between truth and survival in a collapsing system.

The discussion reveals sophisticated understanding of:

• Economic manipulation and market psychology
• Educational system as social control mechanism
• Spiritual warfare in business and culture
• Practical preparation for civilizational decline
• Christ-centered approach to navigating corruption

Both participants demonstrate mature integration of spiritual principles with practical business reality, avoiding both naive idealism and cynical materialism while preparing for multi-decade challenges ahead.

Key Quotes for Reference

On Economic Reality:

"Money is not real it's really not real... There is no limit" - Alex Baydar

On Educational Fraud:

"Education just tells you: Are they a good obedient student" - Alex Baydar

On Spiritual Warfare:

"It's literally a war between materialists... This false war when it's a holy war" - Gary Sheng

On Truth-Seeking:

"He can either expose the truth, or he can die a fraud. And I think a lot of people are making that choice right now" - Gary Sheng

On Civilizational Reconstruction:

"Our job is to democratize human flourishing so that no matter what, no matter how bullshit our economy is, we have the blueprints to rebuild civilization" - Gary Sheng

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Extended Business Strategy Discussion: Building Management Remote Access Platform

Meeting Title: Building management remote access platform strategy with potential partner
Date: August 22, 2025
Context: Follow-up conversation focusing on Alex's AAA-for-building-systems business model and remote access technology platform

Government Contracting Golden Age Analysis

Gary's Assessment:

"Would you say it's a golden age? For working for government. As a contractor... But if they control all the rules. And they're the ones that print the money."

Alex's Confirmation and MBE Status:

"Yeah, I think so, actually... My initial plans when I started this business was that I could be a minority backed enterprise, and I was really, like, pursuing that. Initially, and it took me a while, but I got that status... Without that, I don't know if I would be able to keep the business open."

$200 Million NYC Project Example: Alex received invitation to bid on massive NYC EDC project despite being significantly undersized:

"New york city edc announces new mcor awardee to transform aging commercial office space and attract jobs... They're investing $200 million for the renovation of a building... I am nowhere near the size. Or have anywhere near the capacity or capability to do the contract. And yet they're asking me for a quote."

Minority Enterprise Advantage:

"Because I'm a minority backed enterprise. And the government says, if you're going to take our money, You have to use minority backed enterprises... They called me, like, eight times. In the last week asking me about... my bid... Because they don't have enough people bidding on the job."

Friends' Success Stories:

"Two of my friends. Who are also minority backed enterprises. They've built multi, multimillion dollar businesses. Just from being an MBE... And they're both Indians... their dad's were the engineers. They're the dads that started the business, and they passed the business onto their son... They did jfk. They're doing these multi, multimillion dollar projects."

Strategic Decision-Making Philosophy

The Gardener Parable: Alex's sophisticated analysis of scope creep and staying focused:

"I always think of the story of the gardener. And the gardener who's, like, cutting the grass every week... one day he has a leak in his roof... he approaches the gardener and says, hey, do you know anyone who can fix this roof?... And now the gardener becomes a roofer. Not because he wants to be, but because there's money there."

Dangers of Playing Others' Games:

"I don't want to be playing other people's games... if you don't have a game, if you don't have a direction, you can fall into that. Very easily... It'll keep you surviving But I don't think you'll ever thrive."

Focus on Winning Your Own Game:

"You have to kind of decide the game that you want to play... how do I win this game? The game that I want to play, the game that I'm, like, good at, the game that I know. Will get me the result that I'm looking for."

ProTec Link Platform Strategy

Core Value Proposition:

"Like aaa. Let's say AAA for the building management system. And whenever you have a problem, you can kind of call this number. And we'll solve that problem for you. And I want to undercut all these service contracts."

Industry Vulnerability Identification:

"You bid on a job. You win the job because you're low bid... You're losing money, you're investing $100,000. And you'll make back that money on the service contract... the vulnerability there is like, what if you lose the contract?"

Proprietary Technology Moat Collapse:

"In the past, you were able to defend against that vulnerability. By being. Building a moat around your technology... But buildings are moving away from that proprietary technology... We want open source technology and we want to be able to shop our contracts around. And this is like scaring the crap out of them."

Real-Time Market Disruption:

"I'm seeing these contracts exchange hands at a velocity that's never been done... I've won contract, service and maintenance contracts for buildings I have no. I have no business being in because my number is lower."

Technology Platform Architecture

Hardware Solution:

"It's basically like a nook. Like a small PC that hosts a virtual machine. And. It has what's called a wicket, which is basically like, A virtual machine that builds a secure tunnel. Over the Internet. To these building management system networks."

TCP/IP Analogy: Alex's sophisticated explanation of how open protocols can bypass branded integrators:

"Imagine, like, imagine the tcp ip protocol. Right? But there was like a google version of tcp ip and a Microsoft version of tcp ip... you can just be like a third party and say, I know TCP ip, and I can build that network for you for half the price."

Middleman Elimination:

"The tcp ip guy technician who's actually working on it... once I go in and say I'm the platform... I'm cutting out the middlemen... the technician, let's just say, for example, is getting paid $50 an hour. But the integrator is charging the building $180 or $190 an hour. Where is that $140 going?"

Business Model and Pricing Structure

Subscription Tiers:

• Core: $1,000/month (basic access)
• Plus: Includes 5 pro hours, 24/7 support, concurrent connections
• Enterprise: Additional hours, emergency support, dedicated links
• Month-to-Month: $59 flat fee, no contract

Usage-Based Pricing:

• Pro Hours: $155/hour (8AM-5PM, M-F)
• Emergency Hours: $225/hour (nights/weekends)
• On-site Support: $185/hour + travel

Revenue Projections:

• 10 Core Buildings: $213,000 annual recurring revenue
• 16 Buildings (mixed tiers): $500,000+ ARR

Competitive Advantage and Market Position

Industry Paralysis:

"The open framework. That people are using. They can't provide this service. Because. They are going in direct competition with their biggest customers... They're at a standstill. They can't offer. Their lifeline."

Outsider Advantage:

"That's why I feel like I'm very well positioned, because I don't have those agreements in place. I'm kind of like an outsider. I don't have any ties to any company."

Geographic Liberation:

"All these buildings... are getting these systems installed, and they're kind of like, low. They're restricted geographically by their nearest service provider. This would be the first time they're kind of, like, able to get quality service from anywhere."

AI Integration and Training Strategy

Custom LLM Development:

"I need to build a custom LLM. To train a lot of these technicians who have no experience. On how to solve these problems... I genuinely believe I can solve 70% of the problem. S. With just somebody who knows how to use a technology, which I can do within a week."

Rapid Certification Process:

"Within a month, I can take somebody who's kind of... Bms incline or they have the interest... I can take that person. And get them build and ready. Within a month... you can make a six figure salary doing this. Just working on your own."

Global Workforce Vision:

"It doesn't matter where you live, right? It's like you just have to have a good Internet connection. And so the world opens up."

Live Technology Demonstration

Remote Access Capability: Alex demonstrated live remote access to Chicago customer's building management system:

"This is my customer. In chicago... I'm, like, virtual. I'm remote, remotely connected to a virtual machine in the cloud somewhere... This is windows xp. These Camera server... This is a serial connection to a controller... I'm actually dialed in."

Security and Reliability:

"To put this on the open Internet is such a liability. That nobody's able. Nobody has been able to do this. In a reliable way... Every other system integrator that's out there, they're using those off the shelf remote access technology. And they're getting shut down by internal IT teams... This is the future."

Independence Achievement:

"I love this because this is what I wanted, right? I wanted to be able to just work whenever I want to work. Instead of having to work for a company. Who tells me when to work and how to work. I have the skills. Why should they benefit from my sweat labor?"

Gary's Strategic Validation

Platform Assessment:

"This is awesome. This is my favorite. I mean, there's a lot that needs to happen to make this happen. But I like this a lot."

Recognition of Market Opportunity:

"Proud of you, man. This is awesome."

AI Integration Interest:

"Before you do some lm shit."

This extended business discussion demonstrates Alex's sophisticated understanding of market dynamics, government contracting advantages, and technology platform development, while revealing his strategic approach to disrupting established industry players through innovative service delivery models.